On Aug 30, 6:43 pm, RichAsianKid
hotmail.com> wrote:> (Separately posted to soc.culture.china, soc.culture.korean,
> soc.culture.japan, soc.culture.singapore, soc.culture.taiwan)
>
> Posters may be interested in this commentary from a "white-
> nationalist" American figure on the Olympics (needs appropriate plug-
> in; MP3 format):
>
>
http://www.davidduke.com/mp3/dukeradio080824.mp3
>
> Transcript attached below.
>
> My random and disjointed feedback:
>
> (1) Quote: "Every performer [in the Olympics] was Chinese." - I
> didn't watch the whole opening, just bits and pieces of it, but it
> seems there was a part where there was a token celebration of China's
> ethnic minorities carrying the flag or something - perhaps a gesture
> of "One World, One Dream" (as opposed to, oh, say, the equally if not
> more appropriate motto "China's Dream, One China")?
IIRC the NBC announcer said all of the students wearing those ethnic
costume
in the opening parade were from the same school in Beijing, e.g. the
announcer
was implying that the children were all or mainly Han Chinese wearing
ethnic costumes.
> (2) Quote: "China is the most populous nation on earth with 1.3
> billion. It is practically all Chinese." Depends on how Chinese is
> defined - it's "only" 91%% Han last time I checked. This contrasts with
> *real* nation states like Japan where it's 98.5%% Japanese and South
> Korea where it's practically 100%% "pure" Korean
Often when I hear such remarks from Western speakers
they are attempting to explain why China is dominated by Han culture.
> (3) I know more than one of my relatives missed the US' Olympic
> athletes' parade entrance because it looked so similar to just another
> one from Africa
> (4) Some time ago someone here on newsgroups wrote how he's hopping up
> and down with ecstasy that Obama may be the next prez of the US in his
> lifetime. I presciently (ahem) replied that China will not have a
> black prez in *its* lifetime.
if black=ethnic non-majority=ethnic minority
=female=non-traditional sexual orientation
then I agree.
The CCP IS NOT likely to have a woman prez
or a Cantonese prez, or a Mongolian prez, or Ughur prez,
or a Tibetan prez, or Fukinese Prez or an openly gay prez
in your lifetime ( next 60 years if you should live so long).
When reading about China's politics - it reminds me
somewhat of how USA Politics was like in the 1960s...
Mainstream CCP politics is dominated by a
socially traditional/conservative power structure.
>
> *****************
> Transcript:
> China, the Olympics, and a man named Obama running for President of
> the United States!
> An Updated Commentary by David Duke
David Duke, the former KKK grand dragon?
>
> I watched the opening of the Olympic Games in Beijing. It was amazing,
> but not just for its heroic scale and artistic beauty. It was amazing
> because it was an unabashed celebration of Chinese history, culture
> heritage and indeed of the Chinese people in their unique expression
> of humanity. The games were an eloquent statement of their identity.
>
> As the camera panned out across the Olympic field and there were
> thousands of Chinese dancers and singers celebrating their Chinese-
> ness. That’s a new word and a tough one to say.
>
> Among the tens of thousands of performers I did not see any European
> faces or for that matter any black faces anywhere on the field. Every
> performer was Chinese. Everyone had a distinctive Asian fold in the
> corners of their eyes. China to the Chinese means a lot more than
> simply the collection of races or peoples that live in the
> geographical area of China. It means to them, the unique traits and
> character of the Chinese people and not just the people that reside
> within the political boundaries of China.
Sounds like ethnic envy. (9_9)
>
> China is the most populous nation on earth with 1.3 billion. It is
> practically all Chinese. Hong Kong, even when it was independent was
> considered a “Chinese” city. The Chinese have a clear understanding of
> what China is. To them it is a nation of Chinese people with Chinese
> identity, history, culture, tradition character and dare I say it: The
> genetic underpinning of it all — the unique character of their DNA
> that gives them their appearance, their talents and their underlying
> nature.
Hong Kong was never independent, it was a colony of the British Empire
before
it was handed back to the China. The British took Hong Kong from
China as part of its war booty after the Opium War .
Its common for Han Chinese to refer to Hong Kong/Cantonese as being
"adopted" Chinese.
Of all the ethnic minorities in China - Cantonese have made the most
progress in
assimilating Han/Mandarin culture. Recently, China has begun to
recognizes
that its ethnic minority cultures are a historical and cultural
treasure
( can you say tourism trade industry asset? ) . Much ado has been
made about the Chinese Sport Program looking for children with the
correct physical(genetically expressed) physical assets - however,
it appears this genetic screening was done without regard to ethnic or
cultural background.
>
> The Chinese are free from the overwhelming media propaganda that
> pervades the Western world and are free from a specific ethnocentric
> group that dominates the American media and has inordinate influence
> on Western governments. They are not saturated with propaganda
> intended to make them feel guilty for being Chinese.
China Ministry of Information does censor mass media and the
internet in China - some even accuse this control amounts to
state sponsored propaganda. However, there are times when
China grip on the mass media lessens an it allows a
certain amount of dissent (some of which has been ethnic).
>
> American guilt and self-loathing are typified by the reaction to
> former President Clinton’s June 13, 1998 speech that he made at
> Portland State University. He praised the new diversity in America and
> he spoke optimistically of the time when European Americans will
> become a minority in the country our own forefathers established. Here
> is what he said:
>
> - - - - -
> “But now we are being tested again — by a new wave of immigration
> larger than any in a century, far more diverse than any in our
> history…
> Today, largely because of immigration, there is no majority race in
> Hawaii or Houston or New York City. Within five years there will be no
> majority race in our largest state, California. In a little more than
> 50 years there will be no majority race in the United States.
> (Applause.) No other nation in history has gone through demographic
> change of this magnitude in so short a time.”(Applause)
> - - - - -
>
> In actual fact, the most recent figures say that Europeans will become
> a minority in America in far less time than that. How propagandized
> and sick our people have become. In Portland, Oregon the
> overwhelmingly White student audience applauded the demise of their
> own people. Could one imagine Afro-Americans in Atlanta applauding a
> remark that African-Americans there would soon become a minority?
> Could anyone in his wildest imagination, picture thousands of Chinese
> celebrating their own demise as a people in their own country?
A demographic trend is not propaganda. Demographic trends are
mathematical
projections/models - not hard facts. The southwest and west coast of
the
USA has always had a siginificant community of non-white european .
Before the USA annexed Texas, it was part of Mexico. If you look at
african-americans in mainstream USA politics, one doesn't need to
imagine
anything - there's is a strange political transformation that occurs
knowing
that mainstream politics requires people like Colin Powell and Dr.
Rice
one must address the issues from a national perspective.
> They know that if non-Chinese elements migrate or breed their way to
> dominance in some China provinces that it will ultimately result in
> conflict, and perhaps eventually to terrorism and civil war. That’s
I don't think the CCP leadership selection criteria
has any cultural or historical context. History says otherwise.
The last Chinese Dynasty was controlled by a non-Han
ethnic minority - the manchus (manchurians) - during
their rule they attempted to maintain their ethnic integrity
by limiting inter-ethnic marriages and access to government
offfices. However, when the Mongolians ruled China,
it was the mongolians who assimilate Han Chinese
culture - marriages was one of the ways to form
political and military alliances in those days.
The CCP leadership selection ethnic criteria is
more of a sideeffect of having a centralized
government in Beijing limited to small group of
people. Representatives from the more remote
and less populated regions of China
appear to have less power than those who
live in the more populus urban regions.
One of the reasons Hong Kong and Shanghai
can exert a signficant influence in the CCP is
due to the huge population.
> why even though there are some border areas of China where there are
> people of different ethnic origin, the government has consciously
> promoted massive Chinese immigration into those areas. They want one
> nation and they have consciously thought about their future and what
> will happen if non-Chinese minorities grow in great number.
FWIW - Pro-Independent Tibetan Groups assert that
this promotion of massive Han immigration to Tibet
is meant to undercut the indigenous people's influence
under the disguise of economic growth/improvement.
As China's economy improves, non-chinese minoriy populations
have grown. Unfortunately, often ther local economies
are not able to support this growth. This has lead to a
massive migration from China's rural regions to the
south/southeast China (e.g. Guangdong Province) in
search of employment and economic opportunities.
Part of China Inc's impressive economic growth is
due to this massive labor pool.
>
> That’s precisely the root of what’s happening in Tibet. Obviously
> massive Chinese immigration into Tibet is catastrophic for the Tibetan
> people and for their unique heritage, religion, culture and freedom.
> When another identifiable group with their own will to power becomes a
> majority in the country the indigenous people will be controlled by
> them. That should be obvious to anyone. It is demographics 101. The
> Chinese do fundamentally what they see as good for their own people,
> and so do the Tibetan people. Such behavior about the welfare of your
> own people is normal for most of the world, but of course, not
> permitted for the European people. It is the most natural thing in the
> world. Every expression of life on the planet seeks to preserve
> itself, except that now, seemingly Europeans and Americans don’t.
Tibet must work within the constraint of China
just as the Lakotas must work within the constraint of the USA.
Such a situation can restricts the ability to preserve one's culture.
All healthy societies and cultures are dynamic
in nature -- the ablilty to adopt to changing conditions
and thrive is the hallmarks of a succesful
and healthy community. Mr. Duke mistakenly
views American culture as being european.
What makes American society so interesting is
that - each new generation of Americans is given
a great deal of power to redefines it.
> Of course, it wasn’t always like that. Up until 1965, the American
> people and the American government consciously wanted to preserve the
> heritage of European Americans, and they had immigration quota systems
> so the demographic composition would be preserved. It was far less
> racial nationalist than the policies of China or most of the non-
> European world today. For instance the Chinese are obviously not
> trying to maintain the status quo in regard to non-Chinese minorities;
> they are trying to “Chinafy” every square kilometer of China. That’s
> why the Tibetan people are in trouble, and here is where I part ways
> with Chinese thinking. The Tibetan nation and people should survive.
> The Chinese people also have that right and all peoples should have
> that right.
The USA didnot have a immigration policy until 1880s. The USA
immigration policies were initiated by the desire to restrict non-
white
immigration to the USA, especially Asian immigration to the USA.
The USA still has immigration quotas but in 1968 its quota
restrictions
based on race were replaced by geographic neutral restrictions.
> The question to me is whether the Chinese have to wipe out Tibet to
> survive. Obviously, they don’t. At the same time I obviously don’t
> think we should go to war with China over Tibet. But, there are many
> economic and other policies that can be used to help encourage nations
> to respect the rights of others and I believe we should use those
> influences to help the Tibetans survive in their culture and their
> heritage.
I don't think so.
We don't appear to have much economic influence over China.
Smaller Indigeous ethnic groups(e.g. native Hawaiian)
are often at the mercy of modern larger and more powerful societies.
Their survival and quality of life often is
a reflection of how progressive mainstream society is.
>
> The Olympic Games have people of all races present from all corners of
> the world. It’s about peoples and nations competing together in a
> spirit of fairness and friendship, but it is not a celebration of the
> homogeneity of mankind.
The opening celebration is about diversity of mankind - the
games are an exhibition of physical skill and endurance.
> The carrier of the American Flag for the United States at this
> Olympics is Lopez Lomong, an immigrant from Africa. The main flag
> bearer for China was Yao Ming. Yao Ming does not’t live in China. In
> fact, to them it doesn’t matter where he lives, the essential factor
> is that Ming is Chinese. Having a European or an African carry the
> Chinese flag would be simply unthinkable.
I disagree - duke's playing of the race card
is irrelevant and racist. Yao Ming was
selected because he's well liked an well
known athlete who happens to be a chinese
citizen. It doesn't appear that China has
any european-descent or african-descent
athlete citizens of the same caliber as
Yao Ming..
>
> For the last 2000 years up until just 40 years ago, almost any
> cultural function in Europe, a public performance or concert, or fair,
> or sporting event or political rally — would have been an all-European
> version of the opening and closing ceremonies of the Chinese Olympics.
> Europe was for all practical purposes all White. Even in America,
> although there was an historically small minority of Africans and an
> even smaller minority of Mexicans and Asians, each race had its own
> expression and lived in its own community. America was deemed a white
> nation as typified by every White president, by the fact that every
> signer of the Declaration of Independence and author of the
> Constitution was of European descent.
>
> All that’s changed in the blink of an eye, historically and the change
> accelerates with each passing day. The racial expression of America
> was perhaps just 40 years ago typified by Cary Grant and Grace Kelly.
> Not Lopez Lomong or Marion Jones. Marion Jones is the disgraced and
> imprisoned gold medalist, who is perhaps America’s most famous Olympic
> Athlete.
>
> America may soon have a president with the unlikely name of Barack
> Hussein Obama, a man who for the past 20 years was a leading member of
> a church that condemned America weekly from the pulpit and proclaimed
> its loyalty to Africa. On the other side, John McCain is a man who
> supported open borders and amnesty and made his own private effort to
> change American demographics with an adoption from Bangladesh. Of
> course, Obama and McCain have both reaffirmed their commitment to
> Israel as a Jewish state and sworn to send American boys and American
> gold to fight endless wars for Israel. But both McCain and Obama would
> never even acknowledge the fact that our people of European descent in
> both Europe and America have a fundamental right to survive and to
> have a government and culture that reflects our own values,
> traditions, culture and identity.
So the question for David Duke is - Who does a Neo-Nazis vote for?
>
> The Chinese who run their own media and their own government would
> never put someone in power, who was opposed to the rights of the
> Chinese to survive and thrive. That goes without saying, and that’s
> the difference between China and the European and American nations.
>
> China has 1.3 billion people. It’s all Chinese. In Europe and America
> as well as all other nations with significant White presence such as
> Australia and New Zealand and in South American nations, the White
> demographic shrinks ever more rapidly.
>
And to think,
China has one of the most
strictest population growth policies.
And for all that effort
China ends up with too many guys
and not enough gals ....
Now I could only clone Vivian Chow....:-)
> Unless we begin to think more like the Chinese and less like the
> Hollywood and New York axis of media want us to think, we, the race of
> Shakespeare and Newton, of Michaelangelo and DaVinci, of Shockley and
> Watson, of Washington and Jefferson, Elizabeth and Victoria, will be
> wiped off the face of the Earth. The people that have led the world in
> science, medicine, exploration, and given unsurpassed beauty and
> artistic expression to the Earth, and who have actually put the
> footprints of mankind on the moon, will pass to oblivion.
That's not going to happen.
However, when racists become an endangered species
we'll see people like David Duke in a Zoo exhibit. ;-)
