nobodyk1,
i gave you a good chance then to substantiate yourself. you took off
like the wind. you came back and made sexist and pig-minded remarks
about women, and i had to strike a chord, which i obviously did, and
so now you're back to justify yourself with some more gymnastic
reasonings.
if you want to SERIOUSLY discuss xib nyuj and other issues, including
your statement that 'civilization is built on the sweat and blood of
men NOT women', i am more than happy to engage and learn. now, that
being said, let's proceed in good faith that we'll walk down this road
of what a xib nyuj could be to best of our abilities without mud-
slinging. koj xav tias ua li no puas tau?
> First of all, let's re-visit your defamatory disparaging of my
> translation of the word "xib nyuj." You posted that after extensive
quote me as defaming and disparaging your translation of the word xib
nyuj. in fact, i said that you may have been privileged to a different
version. kuamemiab countered your interpretation more than mine,
according to my story, which of course, was the only story posted in
its entirety (to the best of my ability at the time). so, 'quote' me
doing the dirty dudu. in the interest of advancing this discussion,
i'll let your character assassination attempt slide.
> analysis and years of being a superb scholar, you drew out the word
> "xib nyuj" as a "hippopotamus."
again, quote me as claiming being a superb scholar. what's your
purpose or 'agenda' here? is it to make personal attacks against me or
to validate your claim? if it's mudslinging, we can stop right here
and of course, i can make your ignorance stick out like a sore thumb.
> Your ingenuity of rendering the word
> as a "hippo" came from your deduction that "only a hippo lives in
> water, therefore, the word "xib nyuj" must means "hippopotamus.""
no, not true. read what i said CAREFULLY, i asked my father what it
was, and he said it was a hippo. kuamemiab said something to the
effect that i should not have yielded to the possibility of a white
magical rhino since rhinos are not known to submerge for extended
periods under water. now, do you have reading comprehension problems,
or are you trying as best as you can to smear me? it's a recurring
theme, thus far, that you are trying to throw mud at me.
> I recalled in my previous post that I DISGREED with you on your
> analyzation due to my acknowledgement that you may have heard a
> version different from that told by Shong Lue Yang to his followers.
yes, that i acknowledge and accepted your exposure to a different
version. i was always opened to the possibility and interpretation of
a magical white rhino, and still am. i took the time to write what i
heard of the story from start to finish, and thus, we (those who
participated) can only analyze what a xib nyuj could be against the
story i provided. in what i retold, there was no mention of a horn to
the xib nyuj.
i asked you, did i not, for your version, so we may get more details
as to admit the possibilities of what a xib nyuj could be. to make a
hypothesis of what a xib nyuj could be would require more than 1 dab
neeg, no? you know very well that the same dab neeg can have 10
different ways of being told all with different details, not unlike
the stories of jesus with the gospels of luke, mark, matthews, and
john. i continue to welcome your story, to the best of your ability,
in its entirety, so that we all can make a more informed guess at what
a xib nyuj could be.
> I also made a note of HERMENUTICS to your claim of your superb
> scholarship since you had started deprecating my words and resort to
> vulgarity and calling names.
are you sure i 'deprecated' your words and resorted to vulgarity and
calling names in that 'original' thread of tswb tshoj? it was not
until you said, civilization is built on the sweat and blood of men
and NOT women, that i had to grab your attention with petty cookie
crumbs.
> I have never seen a woman of your
> proclamation who claims her superb scholarship in research and
> academic, but yet resort to vulgarity and indecent behaviors as you
> have portrayed yourself in your posts.
yes, and you never will see a woman as such. because, #1) i don't
claim superb scholarship in research and academics, and #2) vulgarity/
indecency are 'exchanged' with only those who talk from out their
asses, such as your remark that civilization is not built on the blood
and sweat of women. in fact, you were idiotic enough to 'challenge' me
to subject myself to rape. very very rationale and mature, to say the
least, of your innocent self.
> As I told you, the story I remembered hearing from my father and those
> who were followers of Shong Lue Yang as that the "xib nyuj" had a
> horn. Therefore, from my deduction of the literal translation of
> "xib nyuj" it can only be that it was a "magical rhinoceros."
okay, here's the interesting part and i hope you consider
participating in this dialog in good faith of learning for all our
benefits.
1. now, many things have a 'horn', what about or in the story gave you
the suggestion that xib nyuj could be a rhino?
2. now, what was it that was so 'magical' about the rhino?
3. now, what do you have to say that hmong people call a rhino, nyuj
twj kum? have you ever heard of people calling a rhino xib nyuj today?
in fact, i got one confirmation that nyuj twj kum IS what hmong people
call rhinos.
there are a lot of holes in how you jumped from xib nyuj to 'magical
white rhino'. if we take your statement at face value, you make this
leap ONLY due to the detail that the xib nyuj had a horn. again, point
#1 above, many animals have horns, why must it necessarily be a rhino?
since we're at the point of dab neeg, could YOU admit the possibility
that the single horn may also be a unicorn?
> Your
> translation as "hippo" didn't make sense to the FACT that the xib nyuj
> had a horn. No hippo, not that I know, is seen to have a horn thus
okay, now, it did not make sense to YOU since you took it as FACT that
the xib nyuj had a horn from what you heard. in the context of the
story i told, did i mention anything about a horn? i only heard what i
heard, and i did not hear that the xib nyuj had a horn. at this point,
again, tell your story, take the time, and don't flee again, and let's
see what all the details could suggest for this animal, real or not,
to be. or, is your agenda and purpose still to 'spill my beans'?
> far. Yet, you fervently claim your analysis as "en facto" and resort
> yourself to vulgarity and personal attacks of me.
no, that is where you are wrong, AGAIN. #1) i am always opened to
different views and #2) you got what you received deservingly only
AFTER smearing women as you are smearing me. why have you remained
silent on my post about your ignorant remark about 'civilization is
not built on the blood/sweat of women'? again, please, don't cower and
run. i would LOVE for you to participate and enlighten me that women
did not contribute to the building of civilization with their own
blood/sweat. don't worry, my intention is not to spoil your beans as
yours is for me.
> I will again express my astonishment of how a woman of your intellect,
> or so you claimed yourself to be, can only resort to vulgarity when
> your info and claims are revealed to you be flawed and incoherent to
> actual data.
'actual data'? you have YET to tell us/me what you heard. in this
post, you sound a little more intelligent. so, please, respect your
self-rated, vertiginous behavior and take the TIME to share with us
your 'actual data'. show to me that my story is flawed and
incoherent. simply saying the story i told is flawed and incoherent
does not make it so; maybe in the land of fairies where you come from,
but not here. in fact, i am waiting anxiously how 'my info' and
'claims' were revealed to me to be flawed and incoherent more than
anything else.
if anything, i have shown you per items #1,2,3 above, that your story
is 'flawed' and 'incoherent'. please, answer what's the difference
between xib nyuj and nyuj twj kum.
> Or, is that woman in scholarship like you ALWAYS resort
> to this type of cowardice when their claims are being contested and
> proven faulty?
a coward is one who makes tremendous one-liner claims, and always
flees when challenged, which is precisely what you did. again, you and
me, have the #1) xib nyuj and #2) civilization is built on the blood/
sweat of men and not women issues to 'spill our beans' on. now, don't
cower and continue to hide. proven me faulty? you think that by saying
you've proven me faulty enough times that it will actually be so?
quite ludicrous. again, you have yet to itemize the inconsistencies,
incoherence, and faults of the story i told, as i have itemized your
'en facto' claims. AND unlike you, i had the COURAGE to tell it in its
entirety, and remain here to face you to the very ends of your
limits.
> If you claimed that your analyzation of the word "xib nyuj" in the
> story of Tswb Tshoj is indeed "en facto," why don't you prove it and
> revealed to us your ingenuity as a superb scholar.
'if' i claimed, right? 'if'? like i said, you're putting words in my
mouth and if not, verbatim quote me when i claimed #1) scholarly
superiority and #2) en facto that xib nyuj was a hippo.
now, on the other hand, you, have in FACT stated that the xib nyuj is
en facto a white magical rhino. so the burden of proof is on you to
counter my 3 points of your interpretations.
> As for my claim, I can reference back to the book KEEB KWM HMOOB RAWS
> TSEV KOOM HAUM VIB NAIS, published in 1985 by Yves Bertrais and is
> currently sold in Hmoob ABC in St. Paul, MN. I am sure that a woman
> of your astuteness is not too poor to buy the book. Once you have the
> book, do look at page 36 and read its first line as "Koj muaj peb niam
> peb txiv ntsaws rau nws qhov ncauj, hos koj muab koj lub khuam rau
> ntawm nws tub kub."
don't be a coward, you tell the story as i told the story i heard.
when i have the time and money, perhaps, i may look into it as it is
within the scope of my interests. if you don't tell the story AS I
HAVE told what i heard, either you're too cowardly to tell or too
ignorant and are taking 1-liners here and there out of context to
'prove' your bean-spilling purpose.
> Now, how in the world can your translation of "xib nyuj" who has a
> horn be a hippo?
now, how in the world can your translation of 'xib nyuj' to be a rhino
when en facto
1. the rhino is called nyuj twj kum
2. the rhino is not known to be submerged in water for extended
periods of time
3. other 'magical' animals also have one horn
please, counter my points and 'prove' i am wrong (so that my beans
will spill) and 'prove' that you are right (so that you may be
upgraded to scholarly superiority).
