Greeting esteemed SCHlers,

Based on my not-so-scholarly observation I believe that Hmong students
score low on tests given at any institution may have been:

1. The design of the test: it was design by well educated English
speakers who may or may not have as much as needed idea/ideal with low
income and less proficient students; take for example, a conversation...

tnz,

i think you statement is too naive. most of what you said criticized
the test and test makers. how about the students? what if they don't
care or did not study?

also, most of what you said seems to deal with the language portion of
standardized tests. would there be any excuse of the same nature for
mathematical portions of the tests? you know, hmong people don't have
concepts of trigonometry, imaginary numbers, irrational numbers,
etc... could you make the same type of argument: hmong students score
poorly because the test makers made questions that had no cultural or
historical basis for them?

i believe your argument/premise is weak and flawed.

let's put it this way. the test is standardized. that means the test
takers have to CONFORM to the standard, not the other way around (the
test conforms to the student).

On Mar 19, 1:31 pm, Tzianeng Vang gmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 19, 12:50 pm, xto...@yahoo.com wrote:

raws li kuv pom peb cov me nyuam hmoob (hais txog cov niam txiv low
income thiab nyob rau inner-city) lawv cov me nyuam txawm yog yug nyob
teb chaws kiag los lawv yeej hais lus hmoob ib nrab hais lus mekas ib
nrab vim txoj kev nyob sib xyaws nrog hmoob coob coob ua ke. qhov no
txawm cia cov me nyuam no mus kawm ntawv xyaws me nyuam mekas nyob rau
cov tsev kawm ntawv regular schools xwb los yeej tseem kawm ntawv poob
qab thiab vim lawv hais ib nrab lus hmoob ib nrab lus mekas. tab sis
yog tseem ho cia cov me nyuam no mus kawm ntawv nyob rau hmoob cov
tsev kawm ntawv charter schools ua muaj me nyuam hmoob nkaus xwb ces
lawv haj yam kawm poob qab deb tshaj ntxiv xwb vim rau qhov lawv hais
lus hmoob 3/4 hos lawv hais lus mekas 1/3 lawm xwb.

hmoob lo lus hais tias, nyob lug ntuj yuav tau yoog luag txuj, nyob
luag teb yuav tau yoog luag ci. qhov yuav kom peb cov me nyuam hmoob
caum cuag luag ces peb yuav tsum tau noj li luag thiab nyob li luag
lawm xwb. tsam no peb yuav tau rov los nug peb sawv daws li no.
qhov peb hmoob nyob ua pab ua pawg thiab qhov peb cia peb cov me nyuam
paub hais lus hmoob zoo dua los qhov peb mus nyob xyaw luag kom peb
cov me nyuam paub hais lus mekas xwb zoo duas?

Tzianeng
Your point is well taken. When I was in 8th grade the teachers made
me take a test to get out of ESL. I took the written portion and did
very well. Then I took the oral portion. The oral portion consisted
of a lady who showed me pictures of kitchen utensils and asked me to
identify these utensils. I failed that part. Looking back and asking
my American friends about their knowledge of kitchen utensils, most of
them don't know more than the basic knife, spoon, fork.

zhen,

As always your points are well taken...thanks for the feed back...

On Mar 19, 12:46 pm, zhen gmail.com> wrote:

Pajnplaimcua,

We all have an ESL story to share...thanks for sharing yours.

On Mar 19, 1:48 pm, Pajnplaimcua yahoo.com> wrote:

I'm with you Zhen when we discuss about this issue. I used to tell
teachers and administrators that when they taught me at certain
limited level and then expected me to do well on the standardized test
is impossible.

I grew up fight against ESL and charter school as this, where they
brought mostly all the Hmong students into a place or classroom. Don't
blame the students, for not doing well, other than blame it onto the
teachers and administrators for they're lacking of quality materials
and teaching skills. While growing up, I wrote once, on the top of
one of the standardized test that I refused to test it because the
materials that I had learned, they had nothing pertained to or
correlated to the subject matter of the Standardized Testing, and then
I left the testing site in second. I told them, if they want me to
test those standardize testing, I wanted to be where my peers are. I
hope that you grab from my point of view. Let me know, if I need to
explain more..

Kwv,

Is it true that once you are an ESL student, you will alway be an ESL
student for life? Imagine a child start school with an ESL class, and
all his life, from Kindergarten to high school, and he is still taking
ESL class or be designated by his counselor to continue to take ESL
classes, even to college, too. What is ****** wrong with the
*******system!!! Why the *****some fellow Hmong students need to take
ESL...Why the *****I don't see any WHITE guy taking ESL?

Share your ESL experience..fellow HMONG students..