Tzianeng Vang et. al.,
Houmphanh & BBH have provided the salient response that I totally
agree.
When SCH was about to be go to voting, many people had concern that
SCH would be out of control but at then end, we alll agreed that
common sense would prevail and we are confident that there are enough
people, among ourselves. who have a genuine heart to better our people
- and these people would be the ones that would steer these two forums
toward the dream and the visions that we envisaged.
Looking back, SCL has gone on air fro 15 years and SCH just over 10
years and these two forums remain the most dynamic forums of all the
100's - if not 1000's of private forums (Houmphanh & I had set up more
discussion forums than any one else -- and most have died of... only a
few still have the occ heart beat! and the odd posting every now and
then).. SCH/SCL just keep going and goping, years after years...
So, despite the few gate crushers, negative people and the the likes,
SCL/SCH are still healthy and flourishing - and there the only TWO
forums that are read widely and even being used widely, to the max by
few like the Yong's team from the LPDR. These are the two forums that
were read and being monitored by government departments and foreign
Embassies who are interested in Laos.
One more interesting point to NOTE...
When people read Rule 2: " Adhere to the same standards of behavior
online that you follow in real life.". Many people, especially those
negative posters or importers, believe that they can hide behind a
screen name and they can go on the rampage in SCL/SCH. All these
negative people believe that they are just having a ball, calling
name, cutting people down from right and left....
... BUT they FAIL to understand that EVERY WORD they use in these
forums or any other forums are like SEED, planted in their brain,
causing CHEMICAL and ANATOMICAL CHANGES in their brain cells.
AND ONE day, these people will just HARVEST what they planted - THEY
WILL BECOME THE SORT OF PEOPLE THEY BEHAVE IN SCH?SCL. This is
scientifically speaking - What goes around comes around. Kam sanong
Kam. Youe reap what you sow - are all refer to this very fact that I
am referring to.
So, be very mindful when engaging in these forums. Guard your mind
well. Read what you want to read only as anything you read AND think
about it will cause permanent change in your neurones!!!!
Last point...
Criticism has NO power... it has power if you feed to it!
AND also keep in mind that people ONLY CRITICISE some one who is ABOVE
them - socially, or in any ranking that you may fancy. Hence, if some
one crticise YOU, you are already ABOVE that person!... So... why drag
yourself down to that person lower level?
If you choose to respond to any criticism - pick your platform and
make your firm stand and fight from there, in your OWN term. Be a
PROACTIVE person always.
So... much for today... it's time to go Croc hunting... so... until
later...
DownUnder (Bao BanTai).
On Sep 17, 4:42 am, Tzianeng Vang
gmail.com> wrote:> Houmphanh and all,
>
> I agreed in regard to "Freedom of Speech," but the group names of SCL/
> SCH should contain and pertain to only realistic and identifiable
> sources only...that's just my take on it; I am most open to "Freedom
> of Speech" but that's should be under another group name and with such
> for the idiotic bashings does not resonate any means or form of the
> socialization and cultural integrity of the Hmong and Lao...it's
> simply a wish, maybe a personal wish...
>
> Thanks for the reply...
>
> -Tzianeng
>
> On Sep 15, 7:37 pm, "Houmphanh Thongvilu"
Lao.Net> wrote:
>>> Sabaydii Tzianeng et all,
>> Soon after SCL was created (before SCH) we pondered on the same points you
>> are talking about and taking a lead from Singapore.Moderated we submitted
>> for a creation of Laos.moderated but we failed by only in the teens of vote,
>> not within our community as we always lobby first. The vote was lost due to
>> external/outsider freedom of speech/rights groups voting againts the idea.
>> Anyone can propose to set a group it is just a process, groups are created
>> everyday.
>
>> What you are asking for exist today in the form or private discussion boards
>> e.g. mailling lists and webboards where the site and members define the
>> rules of engagement and whether moderators are needed.
>
>> SCL, SCH,SHT etc. are open forums where everything go, no moderator, no ID
>> check (except big brother CAN/DO track you down). NETethics guide such as
>> referred to by Pao is a rule of chaos, we self govern and self control,
>> common sense, consensus and respect(for self & others) rule, the abusers
>> just abuse themselves.
>
>> On the other side of the coin, strict rules will just deter the dynamism of
>> a forum. This informal channel of discussion has its merits that info
>> otherwise might not come out. For instance the official 'demonstration park'
>> in Bejing where a mere application see you arrested.
>
>> It is an issue of noise to info ratio! read between the lines. If some
>> frustrate you so much most Internet News client can be setup to filter them
>> out or you could use your executive power of the delete key.
>
>> Looking back it has not been so bad and it serving its purpose well.
>> Generally I can say we made more friends than enemies, that is invaluable in
>> building a bridge of understanding.
>
>> Sookdii
>
>> "Tzianeng Vang"
gmail.com> wrote in message>
>
>> I'm a late comer to SCH/SCL and I think you and others who have
>> launched SCH/SCL, but I was wondering if there's a way for you and
>> others to re-create SCH/SLC to mandate real identifiable names only
>> and no alias usage? I have learned quite abit from all threads
>> regardless of their nature. However, I would like the world to see
>> more of the nature of our culture and not the nature of our personal
>> acculturated self. Preferred SCH/SCL for me should be as follow:
>
>> 1. Member need to be invited or approved by SCH/SCL outstanding
>> committee;
>> 2. There should be a committee/advisory group set up to monitor the
>> daily course of SCH/SCL; and
>> 3. All SCH/SCL thread needs to be approved prior to being posted
>
>> Hope it can be done to better serve the image of the communities...
>
>> Ua tsaug,
>
>> -Txiabneeeb
>> On Sep 14, 6:23 am, DownUnder
dex.hmoob.net> wrote:>
>>> Just surfing around and I stumbled across this post!! I posted that
>>> in 1999 - almost 9 years ago!
>>> Most of the links are ^^%%$# but the info below is a must read &
>>> REMINDER - it does not hurt to be reminded every now and then.
>
>>> THE CORE RULES OF NETIQUETTE
>
>>> Rule 1: Remember the Human factor.
>>> Rule 2: Adhere to the same standards of behavior online that you
>>> follow in real life
>>> Rule 3: Know where you are in cyberspace
>>> Rule 4: Respect other people's time and bandwidth
>>> Rule 5: Make yourself look good online
>>> Rule 6: Share expert knowledge
>>> Rule 7: Help keep flame wars under control
>>> Rule 8: Respect other people's privacy
>>> Rule 9: Don't abuse your power
>>> Rule 10: Be forgiving of other people's mistakes
>
>>> Pao
>
>>> =========================
>
>>> Subject: FAQ: Participating in SCL/SCH or any other Newsgroups...
>>> Date: 1999/10/19
>>> Author: drpao
lexicon.net>
>>> Posting History Post Reply>
>>> How to launch yourself into SCL/SCH?
>>> How does one conduct oneself in SCL/SCH? What are the Do and DON'T?
>
>>> Here is an extract from the FAQ (which will form part of the SCL
>>> Page).
>
>>> The starting point is to learn about some of the essential background
>>> information about any of the Newsgroups AND stick to the Internet
>>> Netiquette Guidelines and the charter of that particular Newsgroup.
>
>>> Here are some of the essential links:
>
>>> 1. Starting from
here:http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/primer/part1/
>>> Summary of Things to Remember - (about participating in SCL):
>>> Never forget that the person on the other side is human.
>>> Don't blame system admins for their users' behavior.
>>> Never assume that a person is speaking for their
>>> organization. Be careful what you say about others.
>>> Be brief.
>>> Your postings reflect upon you; be proud of them.
>>> Use descriptive titles
>>> Think about your audience.
>>> Be careful with humor and sarcasm.
>>> Only post a message once.
>>> Please rotate material with questionable content.
>>> Summarize what you are following up.
>>> Use mail, don't post a follow-up.
>>> Read all follow-ups and don't repeat what has already been
>>> said. Check your return e-mail address and expect responses.
>>> Double-check follow-up newsgroups and distributions.
>>> Be careful about copyrights and licenses.
>>> Cite appropriate references.
>>> When summarizing, summarize.
>>> Mark or rotate answers or spoilers.
>>> Spelling flames considered harmful.
>>> Don't overdo signatures.
>>> Limit line length and avoid control characters.
>>> Do not use Usenet as a resource for homework assignments.
>>> Do not use Usenet as an advertising medium.
>>> Avoid posting to multiple newsgroups.
>
>
>
>>> 4. THE CORE RULES OF
>>>
NETIQUETTEhttp://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html
>>> Rule 1: Remember the Human factor.
>>> Rule 2: Adhere to the same standards of behavior online that you
>>> follow in real life
>>> Rule 3: Know where you are in cyberspace
>>> Rule 4: Respect other people's time and bandwidth
>>> Rule 5: Make yourself look good online
>>> Rule 6: Share expert knowledge
>>> Rule 7: Help keep flame wars under control
>>> Rule 8: Respect other people's privacy
>>> Rule 9: Don't abuse your power
>>> Rule 10: Be forgiving of other people's mistakes
>
>
>
>>> 7. Finally... before posting any topic... it is easy to do a "Search"
>>> thru the many archives.. eg
Deaj.com (
http://www.deja.com/). Many
>>> topics have been discussed before and archived somewhere (for SCH, all
>>> postings are available thru the SCH Homepage
athttp://www.come.to/schm/
>
>>> --
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Pao Saykao
>>> "A drop of ink can makes thousands think"
