Houmphanh and all,
I agreed in regard to "Freedom of Speech," but the group names of SCL/
SCH should contain and pertain to only realistic and identifiable
sources only...that's just my take on it; I am most open to "Freedom
of Speech" but that's should be under another group name and with such
for the idiotic bashings does not resonate any means or form of the
socialization and cultural integrity of the Hmong and Lao...it's
simply a wish, maybe a personal wish...
Thanks for the reply...
-Tzianeng
On Sep 15, 7:37 pm, "Houmphanh Thongvilu"
Lao.Net> wrote:> Sabaydii Tzianeng et all,
> Soon after SCL was created (before SCH) we pondered on the same points you
> are talking about and taking a lead from Singapore.Moderated we submitted
> for a creation of Laos.moderated but we failed by only in the teens of vote,
> not within our community as we always lobby first. The vote was lost due to
> external/outsider freedom of speech/rights groups voting againts the idea.
> Anyone can propose to set a group it is just a process, groups are created
> everyday.
>
> What you are asking for exist today in the form or private discussion boards
> e.g. mailling lists and webboards where the site and members define the
> rules of engagement and whether moderators are needed.
>
> SCL, SCH,SHT etc. are open forums where everything go, no moderator, no ID
> check (except big brother CAN/DO track you down). NETethics guide such as
> referred to by Pao is a rule of chaos, we self govern and self control,
> common sense, consensus and respect(for self & others) rule, the abusers
> just abuse themselves.
>
> On the other side of the coin, strict rules will just deter the dynamism of
> a forum. This informal channel of discussion has its merits that info
> otherwise might not come out. For instance the official 'demonstration park'
> in Bejing where a mere application see you arrested.
>
> It is an issue of noise to info ratio! read between the lines. If some
> frustrate you so much most Internet News client can be setup to filter them
> out or you could use your executive power of the delete key.
>
> Looking back it has not been so bad and it serving its purpose well.
> Generally I can say we made more friends than enemies, that is invaluable in
> building a bridge of understanding.
>
> Sookdii
>
> "Tzianeng Vang"
gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d36a22cc-e9f2-4c80-9c73-ddaa60599f80@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Dr. Pao,
>
> I'm a late comer to SCH/SCL and I think you and others who have
> launched SCH/SCL, but I was wondering if there's a way for you and
> others to re-create SCH/SLC to mandate real identifiable names only
> and no alias usage? I have learned quite abit from all threads
> regardless of their nature. However, I would like the world to see
> more of the nature of our culture and not the nature of our personal
> acculturated self. Preferred SCH/SCL for me should be as follow:
>
> 1. Member need to be invited or approved by SCH/SCL outstanding
> committee;
> 2. There should be a committee/advisory group set up to monitor the
> daily course of SCH/SCL; and
> 3. All SCH/SCL thread needs to be approved prior to being posted
>
> Hope it can be done to better serve the image of the communities...
>
> Ua tsaug,
>
> -Txiabneeeb
> On Sep 14, 6:23 am, DownUnder dex.hmoob.net> wrote:
>>> Just surfing around and I stumbled across this post!! I posted that
>> in 1999 - almost 9 years ago!
>> Most of the links are ^^%%$# but the info below is a must read &
>> REMINDER - it does not hurt to be reminded every now and then.
>
>> THE CORE RULES OF NETIQUETTE
>
>> Rule 1: Remember the Human factor.
>> Rule 2: Adhere to the same standards of behavior online that you
>> follow in real life
>> Rule 3: Know where you are in cyberspace
>> Rule 4: Respect other people's time and bandwidth
>> Rule 5: Make yourself look good online
>> Rule 6: Share expert knowledge
>> Rule 7: Help keep flame wars under control
>> Rule 8: Respect other people's privacy
>> Rule 9: Don't abuse your power
>> Rule 10: Be forgiving of other people's mistakes
>
>> Pao
>
>> =========================
>
>> Subject: FAQ: Participating in SCL/SCH or any other Newsgroups...
>> Date: 1999/10/19
>> Author: drpao
lexicon.net>
>> Posting History Post Reply>
>> How to launch yourself into SCL/SCH?
>> How does one conduct oneself in SCL/SCH? What are the Do and DON'T?
>
>> Here is an extract from the FAQ (which will form part of the SCL
>> Page).
>
>> The starting point is to learn about some of the essential background
>> information about any of the Newsgroups AND stick to the Internet
>> Netiquette Guidelines and the charter of that particular Newsgroup.
>
>> Here are some of the essential links:
>
>> 1. Starting from
here:http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/primer/part1/
>> Summary of Things to Remember - (about participating in SCL):
>> Never forget that the person on the other side is human.
>> Don't blame system admins for their users' behavior.
>> Never assume that a person is speaking for their
>> organization. Be careful what you say about others.
>> Be brief.
>> Your postings reflect upon you; be proud of them.
>> Use descriptive titles
>> Think about your audience.
>> Be careful with humor and sarcasm.
>> Only post a message once.
>> Please rotate material with questionable content.
>> Summarize what you are following up.
>> Use mail, don't post a follow-up.
>> Read all follow-ups and don't repeat what has already been
>> said. Check your return e-mail address and expect responses.
>> Double-check follow-up newsgroups and distributions.
>> Be careful about copyrights and licenses.
>> Cite appropriate references.
>> When summarizing, summarize.
>> Mark or rotate answers or spoilers.
>> Spelling flames considered harmful.
>> Don't overdo signatures.
>> Limit line length and avoid control characters.
>> Do not use Usenet as a resource for homework assignments.
>> Do not use Usenet as an advertising medium.
>> Avoid posting to multiple newsgroups.
>
>
>
>> 4. THE CORE RULES OF
>>
NETIQUETTEhttp://www.albion.com/netiquette/corerules.html
>> Rule 1: Remember the Human factor.
>> Rule 2: Adhere to the same standards of behavior online that you
>> follow in real life
>> Rule 3: Know where you are in cyberspace
>> Rule 4: Respect other people's time and bandwidth
>> Rule 5: Make yourself look good online
>> Rule 6: Share expert knowledge
>> Rule 7: Help keep flame wars under control
>> Rule 8: Respect other people's privacy
>> Rule 9: Don't abuse your power
>> Rule 10: Be forgiving of other people's mistakes
>
>
>
>> 7. Finally... before posting any topic... it is easy to do a "Search"
>> thru the many archives.. eg
Deaj.com (
http://www.deja.com/). Many
>> topics have been discussed before and archived somewhere (for SCH, all
>> postings are available thru the SCH Homepage
athttp://www.come.to/schm/
>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Pao Saykao
>> "A drop of ink can makes thousands think"
