> On Aug 3, 5:11 am, "syang...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com>
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>> On Aug 2, 12:03 am, Thornsp...@yahoo.com wrote:

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>>> politikal scientist dr soua Yang, koj mas loj sis txawj ntxag puab cov
>>> huv sch nuav sis tug kawg le, muaj txuj dlaab tsi yim meem nthuav tuaj
>>> kuas tug twg sav miv tes tuag kag moog xwb los moj. Kuv tub pum tug
>>> puav nti nti ua pa sem soom lawm nav.

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>>> On Jul 26, 9:33 pm, "syang...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com>
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>>>> On Jul 26, 2:22 pm, "syang...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com>
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>>>>> On Jul 22, 8:00 pm, "syang...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com>
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>>>>>> in his speech broadcasted in the hmong laos radio--usa, vp claims that
>>>>>> he has been the hmong leader for 65 years. however, a close analysis
>>>>>> of his life and non-hmong elected leadership tenure, his claim is
>>>>>> absolutely false! he was born in 1929, he said, and now he is 78 years
>>>>>> old. if he has been ruling the hmong for 65 years as he claimed he has
>>>>>> been, then at the age of 13 in 1944, he was already the hmong leader.
>>>>>> but studies showed that in 1944, he was only a courier, carrying
>>>>>> messages for touby lyfoung, who was the only hmong leader until the
>>>>>> early 1960s, when cia, to inspire the hmong to fight harder against
>>>>>> the communists in northern laos in order to save the lives of the usa
>>>>>> troops in south vietnam, engineered a "national reconstruction plan"
>>>>>> to build roads, schools, and hospitials in hmong areas, including a
>>>>>> palace in long cheng for the lao king. the plan meant to
>>>>>> unconsciously, peacefully transfer power from touby lyfoung to vp,
>>>>>> who, from cia perspective, was an excellent leader, who might be
>>>>>> sacrified the hmong to save the lives of the troops. cia was right!
>>>>>> vp, to be admired by the cia, recruited hmong men, including children
>>>>>> as young as 10 yrs to fight against the communists. so, since vp
>>>>>> became the hmong leader in the early 1960s, the hmong lost thousands
>>>>>> of lives more than any other losses of lives in  hmong recent
>>>>>> hisotry.

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>>>>>> syang05

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>>>> sch participants,

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>>>> in this forum, i was surprised to learn that many of you, although
>>>> have been here in the US for more than 30 years with good education
>>>> and witnessed several presidential elections and hundreds of state and
>>>> local elections, still don't tolerate criticisms made to point out
>>>> vp's policy mistakes and policies. if you do not like to discuss his
>>>> mistakes and to debate on his policies that have held the progress of
>>>> the hmong, then the implication is that you're not honestly help him
>>>> out to become a better leader. because the hmong, especially vp's
>>>> followers, have been afraid of him, pointing out his mistakes,
>>>> including his homeland political activities that indirectly killed
>>>> hundreds of hmong and dispersed thousands of others in thailand and
>>>> even here in the US since 1975, no hmong could save vp from being
>>>> arrested, degrading his reputation in particular and hmong in
>>>> general.

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>>>> zhen, to solve the hmong national problems, it's important to talk
>>>> about vp's policy mistakes since he, even though is still being in
>>>> house arrest for his homeland political actions, still influences the
>>>> hmong community to a certain extent. he is still effective simply
>>>> because his mistakes are not yet digging out to deter his influence
>>>> and because the majority of the hmong are not well informed
>>>> politically and thus easily be manipulated. our job is to save these
>>>> people from being manipulated by discussing vp's policy mistakes,
>>>> including his misstatements.

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>> Pao,

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>> since your interpretation of my original e-mail is off the track, i
>> did not respond to it directly, but an indirect response was given.
>> fyi, it's not hard to find the numbers of hmong casualties during vp's
>> military administration since 1960s to 1975. some writers, including
>> dyd, report that 15,000 hmong soldiers were killed during the war,
>> while others, including janes hamilton-merrit, proponent of vp, notes
>> that 35,000 hmong soldiers were killed. still others found that
>> between 35,000 to 50,000 hmong soldiers were killed in action, while
>> between 50,000 and 58,000 Hmong soldiers were wounded during the war.
>> in hmong recent history in laos, can you think any other losses of
>> hmong lives that are larger than these figures? i don't.

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>> after 1975, due to neo hom's policy, principally engineered by vp, the
>> chairman of the neo hom branch in the usa, and his inner-circle
>> advisors, known as the hmong "doctors" whose educational credential
>> below college level, hundreds hmong, including women and children,
>> were killed in the jungles of northern laos, while thousands other
>> hmong refugees were displaced in thailand, including many who are
>> current in phatchaburn--the current problem of the hmong.

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>> worst still, vp's lao family organizations and other nonprofit
>> entities have been responsible for celebrating the hmong new year, one
>> of the hmong national assets, since september to december each year
>> for cash, instead of considering the negative consequences of these
>> celebrations, culturally affecting the hmong as a group. vp, for
>> example, just said that it's ok to celebrate the hmong new year at
>> different occasions during a year since locations are hard to find.
>> celebrating the hmong new year several times a year as vp's policy
>> makes nonhmong people and second hmong generation who was born in the
>> usa confused about the hmong new year and thus dispect it. vp does not
>> care about the cultural impacts of these celebrations, perhaps because
>> he does not know that culture, such as the hmong new year, constitutes
>> a part of a "national" within a state or perhaps he has been
>> interested in using these events to retain his leadership. since vp is
>> the supreme president of these groups, he has been the guest honor at
>> each event, showing that he is still the hmong leader, a moment of
>> making him feel good but regreting in history. will you join me to
>> save the hmong national asset for the hmong, celebrating the hmong new
>> year in a fixed dates for cultural reason, not cash and leadership
>> reasons?

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>> as for the cia national reconstruction plan, a peaceful means to
>> transfer the hmong leadership from touby lyfoung to vp in the early
>> 1960s, it's not hard to find it in any reading about hmong and cia
>> alliance, including parker, yang, and others. however, to get the
>> point, reading these readings, one has to go one step beyond the
>> conclusions of the wrtiters. that is, interpretations and implications
>> of the readings are important.

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> Shoua Yang,
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> I have nothing more to add... because Chong has said well, as I would
> say, in his response.
> I am just amaze and so unexpected to read such response from a Hmong
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