in his speech broadcasted in the hmong laos radio--usa, vp claims that
he has been the hmong leader for 65 years. however, a close analysis
of his life and non-hmong elected leadership tenure, his claim is
absolutely false! he was born in 1929, he said, and now he is 78 years
old. if he has been ruling the hmong for 65 years as he claimed he has
been, then at the age of 13 in 1944, he was already the hmong leader.
but studies showed that in 1944, he was only a courier, carrying
messages for touby lyfoung, who was the only hmong leader until the
early 1960s, when cia, to inspire the hmong to fight harder against
the communists in northern laos in order to save the lives of the usa
troops in south vietnam, engineered a "national reconstruction plan"
to build roads, schools, and hospitials in hmong areas, including a
palace in long cheng for the lao king. the plan meant to
unconsciously, peacefully transfer power from touby lyfoung to vp,
who, from cia perspective, was an excellent leader, who might be
sacrified the hmong to save the lives of the troops. cia was right!
vp, to be admired by the cia, recruited hmong men, including children
as young as 10 yrs to fight against the communists. so, since vp
became the hmong leader in the early 1960s, the hmong lost thousands
of lives more than any other losses of lives in hmong recent ...

On Jul 22, 8:00 pm, "syang...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com>
wrote:

syang05,

What is your point?

For a moment there I thought I was reading a passage out of “tragic
mountain”.

If you want to impress us why don’t you do your own research rather than
paraphrasing what some western journalist conjured up.

I have not heard Vang Pao’s speech or under what context it was used in.
But, from your tone it appears that you have a bone to pick instead of
seeking the historical truth. Investigate the topic and share with us
something we don’t already know … minus the venom.

Thanks

syang,

a while there, i thought that you had made such concrete assessment
about fgvp's speech, as i listened to you further, it seen as such a
schalor as you, it sounds as you had turned to be one of
BeeMouaChaofa. who has no principle and ethics, and he would lament
upon anything that comes across his mind. it is sad to see such an
educated being wasted.

Born2beMhong

born,

yawg syang puas yog shoua yang, ph.d. tim uw-madison naj? kuv tsis
paub nej cov thaub laus zoo zoo huav no thaib naj.

On Jul 22, 10:58 pm, Born2beHmong yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Shoua Yang,

As a Hmong scholar, I find your post very interesting became some of
your statements are true but your explanation/conclusion seem to more
puzzling if not out of track or not being the reasons.

Let me just touch on few issues - very superficially (more detail will
be available soon).

First, VP is technically has not been THE Hmong leader for 65 years -
but VP has been A LEADER since he attended primary school. Since his
early childhood, he was well known to be a leader among his peer, in
his family and the among the villagers. The talk of the town was that
when VP grew up, "Nws yuav yog huam nab Laib or Hauv Nab Hmoob".

VP has lived to his expectation.

During his early age with the Hmong Militia with Touby and his service
with the French and the Royal Lao Army, he was a common officer, out
of place and out of time. Even he was a Major in the Royal lao Army
but he was not fit for any job - no soldiers under him, no specfic or
significant responsibility.

But he was there and noted by all for his idiosyncrasies and the many
problems that he caused to others and to himself.

dr (?) s. yang,

many of us already know the limitations of gvp. but talking about his
limitations, including things he may misspeak about, will not do
anything to solve the so-called, hmong national problem. i am reading
your dissertation, if you are the dr s yang that i think you are, you
misspoke a lot about hmong history too. yet, your dissertation was
approved and perhaps accepted as 'fact' by your advisor. the point is,
you have better things to contribute than to expend your energy on gvp
bashing and flaming.

the leadership of gvp already sang his swan song a long time ago. the
voice of those following him seem to be limited to only harsh
criticism, giving not only credence to his national hold on hmong
people, but also strengthening his legacy positively evermore. what a
shame and backfire.

On Jul 22, 9:00 pm, "syang...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com>
wrote:

dr pao,

thanks for the history.

on another note, when a murder has happened, police detectives must
find a motive. if we are to understand an established scholar like dr
s yang's "explanation/conclusion" so as to avoid a puzzle we should
understand his motive.

i for one, would like to see people speak the truth, and leave out
'venom', especially personal venom.

Pao,

A note of caution concerning Bill Lair, A CIA man who to this date still
measure every word he uses concerning the Hmong. I recently spent four
days interviewing the two Hmong men in charge of communications during
war. What they revealed to me is surprising.

Chong, you are right... there is still much mystery about Bill Lair
and all that issue about the CIA deal with VP. So far, no one has seen
Lair's 18-page submission that he talked about.

But based on what he said so far and what I can gather from other
Hmong leaders, including my late uncle Thaochay who was stationed in
Udorn and working with Bill Lair from day one (whom I interviewed
twice during my two visits to Thailand when he was living in Udorn and
later at Vinai camp)... there is still nothing more to add to what we
have known up to now.

The interesting thing about VP and Lair is that the two men were like
brothers from Padong but they had not contacted each other or met
since their last meeting at the corridor at the US Embassy in Bangkok
in 1975 until 2006? When I met Lair in 2004, the two men had NOT met
as yet (since 1975).