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Tib Lub Siab Qub li 300 BC         


Author: tzexalee
Date: Sep 17, 2008 11:39

Qin Dynasty kav lub tebchaws Nruabnrab tau li ntawm 500 xyoo. Lub
tebchaws Nruabnrab ntawv muaj ntau ntau lub xeev thiab muaj ib cov
me nyuam tebchaws puag ncig. Lub sijhawm ntawv cov ntawv mas muab piv
tau tsis txawv li cov ntawv Latin Hmoob siv niaj hnub no. Ntawv Latin
Hmoobdawb (Hmong), Latin Hmoobntsuab (Mong), Latin Hmoobnyablaj, Latin
Hmoobnraug A Hmao), Latin Hmoobdub (Hmu), thiab Latin Hmoobliab
(Xiong) puav leej yog ntawv Hmoob, tabsis nyias sau nyias raws nyias
lus. Txawv tsis ntau li ntawv Hmoobdawb thiab ntawv Hmoobntsuab los
yeej tsis kam hloov li. Cov ntawv uas Hmoob thiab Suav siv lub
sijhawm 300 xyoo uantej Yesus ntawv ces zoo li no.

Qin txoj kev cai ua tus huabtais (emperor) yog tus tub hlob thiaj tau
ua huabtais thaum leej txiv tuag lawm. Huabtais Qin Shi Huang leej
txiv muaj 6 tus poj niam. Niam loj tsis muaj tub. Niam 6 yog...
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Re: Tib Lub Siab Qub li 300 BC         


Author: zhen
Date: Sep 17, 2008 12:01

txawjxab,
> cov Hmoob mas peb yuav tua tsis tau peb cov Hmoob. Tab sis cov tsis
> yog ntshav Hmoob 100%% tua tau nawv.

koj tsis tau hnov dua zaj nkauj xov tooj cua moj them niaj hnub tso
lov? nws hu, "peb yog hmoob ntshav los ntshav hmoob?" qhov no nej ho
txhais li cas?

qhov kuv xav xwb, yog ntshav hmoob 100%% tua tau kawg, tiam si yog
hmoob ntshav 100%% no mas ib lub siab ua los yeej muaj ib lub siab
cheem thiab.

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Re: Tib Lub Siab Qub li 300 BC         


Author: Tzianeng Vang
Date: Sep 17, 2008 12:41

Txawjxab,

Kuv paub tias tus ntawv Las Tees tsim rau cov A-Hmao ces yog Samuel
Pollard (Pollard Script), Savina tsim rau cov Hmoob Nyab Laj tiam sis
cov Hmu thiab Hmoob Liab nej lawv cov ho yog leej twg tsim? Koj yog
tus mus pom lawm koj ho pab qhia thiab seb.

Tsis tag li xwb tus ntawv Hmoob tshiab nyuam qhuav tshwm sim tam sis
no ua ib tug kwv tij Hmoob Hawj nthuav cia muaj lub npe hu tias, "Puaj
Txwm" no nes puas yog txhim kho tus Pollard Script los li ib co kws
ntaub kws ntawv hais, hais los lawm thiab?

Thiab yog tias kuv cov lus cev ho tsis meej los thov zam txim...

Ua tsaug!

-Txiabneeb

On Sep 17, 1:39 pm, tzexa...@msn.com wrote:
> Qin Dynasty kav lub tebchaws Nruabnrab tau li ntawm 500 xyoo.  Lub
> tebchaws Nruabnrab ntawv muaj ntau ntau lub   xeev thiab muaj ib cov
> me nyuam tebchaws...
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Re: Tib Lub Siab Qub li 300 BC         


Author: tzexalee
Date: Sep 17, 2008 13:28

On 17 Sep, 12:41, Tzianeng Vang gmail.com> wrote:
> Txawjxab,
>
> Kuv paub tias tus ntawv Las Tees tsim rau cov A-Hmao ces yog Samuel
> Pollard (Pollard Script), Savina tsim rau cov Hmoob Nyab Laj tiam sis
> cov Hmu thiab Hmoob Liab nej lawv cov ho yog leej twg tsim? Koj yog
> tus mus pom lawm koj ho pab qhia thiab seb.
>
> Tsis tag li xwb tus ntawv Hmoob tshiab nyuam qhuav tshwm sim tam sis
> no ua ib tug kwv tij Hmoob Hawj nthuav cia muaj lub npe hu tias, "Puaj
> Txwm" no nes puas yog txhim kho tus Pollard Script los li ib co kws
> ntaub kws ntawv hais, hais los lawm thiab?
>
> Thiab yog tias kuv cov lus cev ho tsis meej los thov zam txim...
>
> Ua tsaug!
>
> -Txiabneeb
>
> On Sep 17, 1:39 pm, tzexa...@msn.com wrote: ...
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Re: Tib Lub Siab Qub li 300 BC         


Author: Hmong-Lao
Date: Sep 18, 2008 08:05

Phoojywg Txawjxab & zhen,
Neb lub tswv yim uas yuav muab tsim ib tug ntawv uas txhua tsav Hmoob
to taub, ib tug sau ib tug nyeem tawm thiab to taub no yeej yog ib qho
zoo lawm thiab. Tabsis yog ua li neb hais no ces twb tsis txawv qhov
Qin Shi Huang ua ne. Yog yuav ua li neb hais mas yuav tsum yog siv
power li Qin Shi Huag mas thiaj tau, tabsis peb tsis xav kom history
rov qab reqpeat lawm. Yog li ntawd, lub tswv yim no muab tso tseg.

Tam li kuv xav mas, yog nej leej twg muaj pluaj siab xav kom txhua
tsav Hmoob siv tib tug ntawd, ces yuav tsum propose thiab nthua tus
ntawd RPA no rau cov kwv tij Hmoob txua txhia lub teb chaws xwb. Yog
tus ntawd no tsis muaj suab txhua rau tsav Hmoob twg ces peb kho thiab
ntxiv rau xwb ces yeej siv tau lawm. Yog siv cov ntawd RPA no mas
tsoomfwv lub teb chaws twg los tsis txwv. Tabsis yog siv cov quav
ntawd txawv dua RPA lawm mas tej zaum yuav muaj teebmeem li qhov uas
peb twb tau hnov txog keeb kwm tsim ntawv Hmoob nyob rau Suavteb,
Lostsuasteb, Thaibteb, & Cobtsibteb. Dhau li ntawd, RPA yog ib hom
ntawv uas yooj yim kawm, yooj yim siv, siv thoob ntuj, siv tau yam
tsis thas yuav create ib qhov separate software rau ntawv Hmoob.

Kuv tsis to taub hais tias ua li cas cov Hmoob no xa nrov npe ua luaj.
Koj los yuav tsim koj tus ntawv; kuv los yuav tsim kuv tus ntawv. Tsam
no twb lig dhau heev lawm na, luag twb xub tsim tau rau peb...
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Re: Tib Lub Siab Qub li 300 BC         


Author: Tzianeng Vang
Date: Sep 18, 2008 08:22

Kab ntsab,

Tus ntawv Las Tees, Romanized Popular Alhpabets (RPA) los yog Ntawv
Hmoob Thoob Ntuj (Teb) no yuav siv tau mus yooj yim (in term of
accessibility). Tiam sis nco tias twb muaj kev siv li teb chaw no. Lus
Askiv yog cov lus siv rau txhua txhia qho (general usage) tiam sis twb
ho muaj cov lus tob muaj ntsiab lus zoo xwb li Greek/Latin siv luam
rau teb ntaub ntawv kev cai lij choj, tej nyiaj tej txiaj (currency
prints) thiab tej kev suav zauv (number/math) xws li Roman numeral.

Yog li cia peb txhim kho tus RPA los siv hos cia cov ntaub ntawv li
ntawv Paj Ntaub los yog Phaj Hauj los siv rau tej kev siv me tiam sis
tseem ceeb...symbolic usage such as currency and others...

On Sep 18, 10:05 am, Hmong-Lao hotmail.com> wrote:
> Phoojywg Txawjxab & zhen,
> Neb lub tswv yim uas yuav muab tsim ib tug ntawv uas txhua tsav Hmoob
> to taub, ib tug sau ib tug nyeem tawm...
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Re: Tib Lub Siab Qub li 300 BC         


Author: zhen
Date: Sep 18, 2008 09:07

HL
> Neb lub tswv yim uas yuav muab tsim ib tug ntawv uas txhua tsav Hmoob
> to taub, ib tug sau ib tug nyeem tawm thiab to taub no yeej yog ib qho
> zoo lawm thiab. Tabsis yog ua li neb hais no ces twb tsis txawv qhov
> Qin Shi Huang ua ne. Yog yuav ua li neb hais mas yuav tsum yog siv
> power li Qin Shi Huag mas thiaj tau, tabsis peb tsis xav kom history
> rov qab reqpeat lawm. Yog li ntawd, lub tswv yim no muab tso tseg.

koj to taub yuam kev loj kawg li lawm. i am speaking for myself, txawj
xab mam li hais nws tus kheej. raws li kuv xav mas kuv hais kom peb
nyias txaus nyias siab los pab kho. tsis yog li koj xav es kom quab
yuam leej twg qhov twg. s/d yuav tsum pom tias ntawv las tees no rhuav
hmoob lub neej lub npe loj npuam li cas thiab coj peb tawg zuj zus mus
lawm.

kuv thiaj li xav, yog peb txawj sib hlub tiag tiag, peb yeej yuav kho
+ tsim tau. peb yuav tau kho ntawm peb lub siab lub ntsws tag tso mam
li los kho + tsim tej ntaub ntawv. koj puas to taub?

qin shi huang.di xav yog, tiam si, nws ua tsis yog. thov kom peb xav
yog thiab ua kom yog yog raws li txoj kev xav. koj to taub lawm lov?
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Re: Tib Lub Siab Qub li 300 BC         


Author: hmoobtaugrigntev
Date: Sep 18, 2008 10:59

On Sep 18, 10:22 am, Tzianeng Vang gmail.com> wrote:
> Kab ntsab,
>
> Tus ntawv Las Tees, Romanized Popular Alhpabets (RPA) los yog Ntawv
> Hmoob Thoob Ntuj (Teb) no yuav siv tau mus yooj yim (in term of
> accessibility). Tiam sis nco tias twb muaj kev siv li teb chaw no. Lus
> Askiv yog cov lus siv rau txhua txhia qho (general usage) tiam sis twb
> ho muaj cov lus tob muaj ntsiab lus zoo xwb li Greek/Latin siv luam
> rau teb ntaub ntawv kev cai lij choj, tej nyiaj tej txiaj (currency
> prints) thiab tej kev suav zauv (number/math) xws li Roman numeral.
>
> Yog li cia peb txhim kho tus RPA los siv hos cia cov ntaub ntawv li
> ntawv Paj Ntaub los yog Phaj Hauj los siv rau tej kev siv me tiam sis
> tseem ceeb...symbolic usage such as currency and others...
>
> On Sep 18, 10:05 am, Hmong-Lao hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Phoojywg Txawjxab & zhen, ...
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Re: Tib Lub Siab Qub li 300 BC         


Author: tzexalee
Date: Sep 18, 2008 11:11

On 18 Sep, 08:05, Hmong-Lao hotmail.com> wrote:
> Phoojywg Txawjxab & zhen,
> Neb lub tswv yim uas yuav muab tsim ib tug ntawv uas txhua tsav Hmoob
> to taub, ib tug sau ib tug nyeem tawm thiab to taub no yeej yog ib qho
> zoo lawm thiab. Tabsis yog ua li neb hais no ces twb tsis txawv qhov
> Qin Shi Huang ua ne. Yog yuav ua li neb hais mas yuav tsum yog siv
> power li Qin Shi Huag mas thiaj tau, tabsis peb tsis xav kom history
> rov qab reqpeat lawm. Yog li ntawd, lub tswv yim no muab tso tseg.
>
> Tam li kuv xav mas, yog nej leej twg muaj pluaj siab xav kom txhua
> tsav Hmoob siv tib tug ntawd, ces yuav tsum propose thiab nthua tus
> ntawd RPA no rau cov kwv tij Hmoob txua txhia lub teb chaws xwb. Yog
> tus ntawd no tsis muaj suab txhua rau tsav Hmoob twg ces peb kho thiab
> ntxiv rau xwb ces yeej siv tau lawm. Yog siv cov ntawd RPA no mas
> tsoomfwv lub teb chaws twg los tsis txwv. Tabsis yog siv cov quav
> ntawd txawv dua RPA lawm mas tej zaum yuav muaj teebmeem li qhov uas
> peb twb tau hnov txog keeb kwm tsim ntawv Hmoob nyob rau Suavteb,
> Lostsuasteb, Thaibteb, & Cobtsibteb. Dhau li ntawd, RPA yog ib hom
> ntawv uas yooj yim kawm, yooj yim siv, siv thoob ntuj, siv tau yam
> tsis thas yuav create ib qhov separate software rau ntawv Hmoob. ...
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Re: Tib Lub Siab Qub li 300 BC         


Author: Tzianeng Vang
Date: Sep 18, 2008 11:45

Txawj,

Kuv zoo siab heev ua koj tau lees koj lub luag hauj lwm uas yog ib tus
Hmoob txawj thiab tshawb txog peb Hmoob li haiv tej lus thiab ntaub
ntawv.

Yog pom li koj lawm thov ho taws tsau rau peb cov tsis pom kev tsau
ntuj nyob ntawm ntug cub no thiab peb thiaj yuav mus los sib cuag
ncua...kuv twb xa ntawv cab sab rau koj ob peb zaug lawm kuv xav tias
tsis piav los koj yuav paub txog qhov peb mus caum lawm.

Thov txhob ua siab deb koj li kev pab tseem yuav muaj vam ntxiv los
ntawv kuv tus kheej thiab peb pab Hmong MN Language Group...kuv pawg
ntseeg mas ho tsis koom puas tsawg...tiam sis pawg xav, Hmong MN
Language Group no kuj sib txhawb kawg lawm.

Tiam sis thov rov muab nthuav me, me tias peb kev (proposed) xam pom
li cas lawm. Cov tias xav kom siv mus no ces yog muaj nram no:
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