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Group: soc.culture.hmong · Group Profile
Author: moobntsuab
Date: Sep 16, 2008 14:44

Zhen,

Nej cov txivneeb laus teeb thaj kho ces suav daws kuj caum xwb los
pob. Pes tsawg pab sawv los kho los yuav tos TXIV NAIS PHOOS approve
xwbx ces thiaj zoo li hniaj hnub no. Kuv saib nej leej twg yeej hla
tsi dhau txiv naisphoos ib taws li las sav... yuav ua cas thiaj kho
tau mad?

Nej tsa pes tsawg lub rooj sab laj los kho ntawv Hmoob lawm? Ntau heev
lawm laiv... kuv xav na... Tseem tshuav kuv cov ntawv Moob Ntsuab tsi
tau coj tuaj nrug mej has... kav tsij hu conference tsawg tsuag kuv
yuav rawm coj kuv le ntawv Moob Ntsuab tuaj nrug mej sibkhu.

Moobntsuab

On Sep 16, 11:17 am, zhen googlemail.com> wrote:
> cov phooj ywg s/d,
>
> thov kom nej pab kho kom tau peb hmoob tej ntaub tej ntawv tiag tiag.
> nej cov muaj rab peev xwm, nej tsis txhob lam muaj tso tseg thiab qaug
> luag lub tswv yim. qhov no tsis yog cem, tiam si, txhawb hmoob lub
> neej thiab txoj kev sib hlub loj hlob zuj zus mus yam tom ntej xwb.
> tej yam, luag sab nraum tau tsim rau peb, yeej lees paub yeej ris luag
> txiaj. tiam si, yog raws li kuv xav, peb hmoob tsis paub + txawj hais
> kom sib haum peb tus kheej. vim li ntawv, tej yam twb yog lub zoo tswv
> yim los tseem poob qees.
>
> nyob raws li science, lawv siv qhov tswv yim, occam's razor. qhov no,
> tej co tsis paub, txhais hais tias, "All other things being equal, the
> simplest solution is the best." (wikipedia) tiam si, qhov no, yog
> txhais raws li kev yooj yim xwb. qhov tseeb, yog koj muab xav mus xav
> los, yog, "a solution should be as simple as possible, but no
> simpler."
>
> kuv hais li no yog hais dab tsi? yog hais li no. tej ntaub ntawv hmoob
> es yuav siv nyog los ua tau qauv ua hmoob ntaub ntawv, twb muaj kiag
> ntawm taw lawm. tej yam no zoo li NDX lawv cov QNQN (it's not his, but
> he is one of its champions and promoters) thiab SLY lawv cov Phaj
> Hauj. ib co xav thiab nyiam siv RPA thuam tias, "QNQN + PH nyuaj dhau
> hwv lawm. ntawv las tees yooj yim siv dua. siv qhov yooj yim xwb."
>
> yog koj cia li xav ceev ceev xwb, ces yog li lawv thuam tiag. vim li
> cas ho tsis siv qhov yooj yooj yim es pheej mus siv qhov nyuaj nyuaj
> xwb? luag yuav muab piv tias, tam sim no, twb muaj tshuab ncaws teb
> lawm, los vim li cas, koj thiaj li tseem mus siv rab choj txhwj (rab
> hlau) ncaws teb tas mus li?
>
> TIAM SI, qhov yooj yooj yim xws li RPA txwb ua rau peb haiv hmoob tawg
> loj zuj zus mus. nej yeej paub paub lawm; tej yam no yog tej yam peb
> niaj hnub pom: moob, hmoob, mhoob, etc... peb xav tau qhov yooj yim
> siv, peb xav tau lub tshuab ncaws teb kom peb tau zoo. tiam si, hnub
> no, qhov yooj yim rhuav peb tawg, lub tshuab laij av rhuav peb thaj
> teb. muab luag txuj los siv, muab qhov yooj yim los siv, es pheej ua
> rau peb tawg thiab sib to taub yuam kev zoo npaum twg? tej zaum, peb
> tau zoo 2-3 hnub, tiam si, tas ib sim peb yauv txom txom nyem.
>
> kuv thiaj xav, "a solution should be as simple as needed, but no
> simpler." RPA yooj yim kawg, tiam si, ho yooj yim dhau hwv lawm rov
> qab tsoo peb haiv hmoob tawg ib qeb loj tshaj suav tau quab yuam faib
> peb ua pab ua pawg yav tas thiab. yog li ntawv, peb yuav tau nrhiav
> los tsim kom tau peb teej peb tug tiag tiag. peb yuav tau tso qhov
> yooj yooj yim no pov tseg. qhov no, tsis yog hais kom siv qhov nyuaj
> nyuaj, TIAM SI, hais kom tsim + siv qhov pab tau peb hmoob txawj sib
> hlub thiab muaj kev tiaj tus (peace) + vam meej (prosperity). txawm
> yog qhov no yuav nyuaj dua RPA los xij. txawm yog ho muaj tus ntse li
> SLY es tsim tau hmoob ntaub ntawv yooj yim dua RPA los xij. qhov
> tseeb, tsis yog qhov nyuaj los qhov yooj yim, tiam si, yog lub hom
> phiaj (li xov tooj cua moj them niaj hnub hais) ras haiv.
>
> kuv yuav teb cov RPA supporters txog qhov lawv thuam (criticize) tias
> tej ntaub ntawv hmoob (i.e. QNQN) nyuaj dhau hwv lawm. thaum lawv hais
> tias "nyuaj" no, lawv hais tias
> a) tsis yooj yim sau raws li keyboard
> b) tsis yooj yim kawm vim cov ntawv sib chab sib chaws (intricate
> alphabet)
> c) tsis yooj yim cim (too many alphabets)
>
> tej lawv tau thuam no yog kawg los mav. yeej muaj tseeb nawb. tsis
> muaj chaws cav kom dhau. these are excellent points. tiam si,
> 1) thov nej pab saib xyuas (study) txog ntawv suav (han.zi), kaus lim
> (han ja), nyiaj pooj (kan ji)
> 2) thov nej txwb muab ua zoo xav peb muab ib qho teeb meem me pauv
> teeb meem loj
>
> qhov ib yog hais txog han.zi, hanja, + kan ji. hanja thiab kan ji yog
> qev los ntawm han.zi xwb. txawm li cas los, lawv peb hom ntawv no
> nyuaj tshaj QNQN + PH nawb. tsis yooj yim sau raws li keboard, tsis
> yooj yim sau, tsis yooj yim cim (too many characters). txawm si, lawv
> peb haiv neeg loj no, twb siv qees. tsis tag li ntawv, ntawv las tees
> yooj yim siv, tiam si, tsis yooj yim nyeeb + to taub. piv txwv, yog
> kuv sau "cov nyom" no yog txhais li cas? yog kuv sau "txiv" no txhais
> li cas? yog tsis muaj context, ces koj yeej tsis paub kuv hais cov
> nyom = grass los cov nyom = difficult, or, txiv = father los txiv =
> fruit. tsis tag li, tseem muaj qhov twb kho tsis tau tias yauv sau li
> cas, muab ib los sau ua ib los (cov nyom), or, muab ib lo lus sau ua
> ib los (covnyom).
>
> qhov ob yog hais txog muab teeb meem me pauv teem meem loj. teem meem
> me yog dab tsi? yog kev sau ntawv. teeb meem loj yog dab tsi? yog qhov
> uas peb tawg raws cov ntawv las tees. peb yeej tau txais qhov yooj yim
> los mav, tiam si, peb yeej tau txais qhov nyuaj thiab tseem ceeb tshaj
> plaws, qhov no yog kev ua haiv. kuv txwb hais hais lawm, los kuv yuav
> hais dua, nyob ntawm txoj kev pab tsim + kho hmoob ntaub ntawv, tsis
> yog evolutionary tsis yog stationary, tiam si, yuav yog poob rau qhov
> revolutionary lawm. revolutionary vim tias qhov no rov qab tig los
> ntawm txoj kev sib tawg mus rau qhov sib koom.
>
> nej puas xav tias, vim li cas qing shi huang.di ib lub thawj lub hom
> phiaj yog muab tag nrho han.zi los ua ib hom sau xwb? nej puas xav
> tias peb hmoob tawg loj dhau hwv lawm raws ntawv las tees?
>
> txawm yog hmoob lub neej zoo li thaj av fab fab los, thov nej txhob
> vam vam cia cia siab xav xav so xav xav pw es mus siv lub tshuab ua
> qhov yooj yim los rhuav hmoob thaj teb kom tas ib sim. tej zaum siv
> tus hlau los tu thaj teb ib nyuag qeeb dua tiag. tiam si, tus hlau
> yeej ncaws tau thaj av qhov txhias qhov chaws. lub tshuab tsuas laij
> tau qhov do do tus tus xwb; tseem tshuav tej ces kaum teb nqaim nqaim,
> ntxhov ntxhov, lub tshuab yeej siv laij tsis tau noj kiag li. qhov kuv
> xav xwb, peb yeej ua tau yog peb txawj sib hlub tiag. txawm peb sib
> rab hlau es ib nyuag qeeb zog lawm los, yog peb sib tuav tes sib koom
> siab, ib leeg tuav ib rab hlau, peb yeej yuav tu tau hmoob daim av ua
> teb fab fab ntxhov ntxhov kom tau noj.
>
> ua tsaug rau nej s/d. tej no yog kev xav xwb. tsis nyiam los thov muab
> pov tseg. sau ntau ntau los thorn laus laus lawm, ib pliag thorn ho
> vau thiab (tso dag xwb thorn, txhob chim nawb).
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