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Author: TonyTony Date: Sep 19, 2008 05:20
MT,
Koj pumzoo le txawjxaab has los yeej zoo. Koj yuav tau kawm hab pum
meej tsaiv maam txhawb es thaus yuamkev lawm los yug txhajle tsi has
tas, “ua lecaag tsi nwg txug qhov ntawd le lau.”
Thawv phajhawj, ntawv paajntaub, hab ntawv Lastees yeej tsi muaj cov
qauvntawv moob leeg nyob rua huv thauv cov ntawv ntawd tshwm tuaj.
Thaus moobleeg siv ces pauv! Qhov ntawd qha le caag rua peb cov nam
moobleeg kws thaus luas ua tsi nrug luas ua, luas thaam tsi nrug luas
thaam es khawxyeem qhov yoojyim xwb?
Qhov txawjxaab has yeej los zoo lawm ntaag tsuav yog peb paub lub
hauvpaug, txawm nwg yuav yog tug qauv ntawv twg los kuas moobleeg hab
moobdlawb totaub has tas yog “Moob le” ces yeej siv tau. Qhov zoo
tshaaj ces yog muaj kev sistxuaslug (communication) nruabnraab ntawm
moobdlawb hab moobleeg. Moogleej yuavtsum tsi txhob pw es tog
moobdlawb xwb.
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Author: Hmong-LaoHmong-Lao Date: Sep 19, 2008 12:32
Cov phoojywg,
Yeej tsis muaj ib co ntawv Hmoob Dawb hos ib co ntawv Hmoob Lees li,
tsua muaj ntawv Hmoob xwb. Tabsis vim ntawv Hmoob nyuam qhuav pib ces
nws hais tsis txhij peb cov lus. Tabsis kuv twb pom neeg muab kho tau
zoo siv kawg lawm. Tamsis no tsis hais Hmoob Dawb los Hmoob Lees yeej
siv tus ntawv RPA no tau yam tsis muaj dabtsi cov nyom. Yog tus twg
nyeem tsis tau ces yog nws tseem tsis tau txawj xwb. Tus ntawd yuav
tau nug thiab kawm ntxiv xwb.
Piv txwv:
D thiab Dl tsis yog tib tug niam ntawd. Tabsis dev thiab dlev yog hais
txog tib tug tsiaj, hos Moob thiab Hmoob yog hais txog tib haiv neeg.
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Sep 19, 2008 13:39
are you blind or just dumb? or both?
hmong, mong, mhong, HMong, MHong
hmoob, moob, mhoob, HMoob, MHoob
we may say
1. revolutionary <- zhen, txawj xab
2. stationary <- HL
3. evolutionary <- YOB, B2BH, TNV
please read before you make ignorant remarks.
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Author: phwvnyawmphwvnyawm Date: Sep 19, 2008 13:45
Zhen....aw,
Koj lub tswv yim no mas yeej zoo kawg lawm nawb. Ua li koj hais ned
cov txiv neeb no mas twb tsis tau nce thaj ua neeb twb hais nqi lawm
mas yuav txog koj siav heev los kho cov ntawv hmoob no lauj.
Kuv xav qhia rau koj me ntsis txog ntawm tus ntawv hmoob RPA las tees
nawb.Thaum pib tsis yog yuav tsim los rau hmoob thoob ntuj siv
nad......yog cov txiv plig tsim los rau peb cov ntseeg NTSE XUS KAV...
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Author: Hmong-LaoHmong-Lao Date: Sep 19, 2008 14:12
PY zhen,
To me, these are considered misspelling words except for "Moob and
Hmoob" in Hmong and "Hmong" in English, not the division among Hmong.
I can't believe a smart person like you failed to see it. I would not
waste my time with you on this matter because I don't understand your
zhen language. I will rest my case on this topic with you (zhen) until
you use professionally language.
So long zhen,
HL
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Author: hmoobtaugrigntevhmoobtaugrigntev Date: Sep 19, 2008 14:51
On Sep 19, 3:45 pm, phwvnyawm yahoo.com> wrote:> Zhen....aw,
>
> Koj lub tswv yim no mas yeej zoo kawg lawm nawb. Ua li koj hais ned
> cov txiv neeb no mas twb tsis tau nce thaj ua neeb twb hais nqi lawm
> mas yuav txog koj siav heev los kho cov ntawv hmoob no lauj.
>
> Kuv xav qhia rau koj me ntsis txog ntawm tus ntawv hmoob RPA las tees
> nawb.Thaum pib tsis yog yuav tsim los rau hmoob thoob ntuj siv
> nad......yog cov txiv plig tsim los rau peb cov ntseeg NTSE XUS KAV
> TAUS LIV siv xwb nad. Peb cov KAV TAUS LIV yeej tsis tau muab phom
> khoo leej twg kom kawm laid......nyias yeem nyias tuaj kawm ntawv taug
> kev nad.......kuv hais ncaj nawb.....leej twg yuav kho peb cov ntawv
> LAS TEES no mas yuav tsum muaj peev (nyiaj) los hloov peb cov phau
> ntawv Moos Zoo (Bible) cov phau ntawv khaws txuj hmoob,dab neeg,kwv
> txhiaj, nkauj hu cav txog peb tus NTSE XUS....etc mas thiaj yuav hloov
> tau nawb.......yog nyob-b lam cia li hloov tus tsiaj ntawv ub,tsiaj no
> mas yuav mag peb foob nawb....... txiv plig Nyiaj Pov txawm tuag
> los......kuv tus Phwvnyawm no yog ib tug yuav foob nej ntag
> laid......hmoob tshuaj,hmoob tsis rhaub li nawb.....ceeb toom rau nej ...
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Sep 19, 2008 15:05
HL,
> To me, these are considered misspelling words except for "Moob and
> Hmoob" in Hmong and "Hmong" in English, not the division among Hmong.
> I can't believe a smart person like you failed to see it. I would not
> waste my time with you on this matter because I don't understand your
> zhen language. I will rest my case on this topic with you (zhen) until
> you use professionally language.
don't deny reality. those are not mis-spelling. those are the
consequence of RPA. you play ignorant because you are so afraid to let
go. but you may not suffer, but your kids will suffer the division.
you fail to see that.
you know why you are a liar and hypocrite. because, you come out to
protest the thinking, then you turn around and say you support it, and
now you go back to protesting again. either you are a lunatic or just
stupid.
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Sep 19, 2008 15:10
> Koj lub tswv yim no mas yeej zoo kawg lawm nawb. Ua li koj hais ned
> cov txiv neeb no mas twb tsis tau nce thaj ua neeb twb hais nqi lawm
> mas yuav txog koj siav heev los kho cov ntawv hmoob no lauj.
nope you are wrong and did not understand the message. did i once say,
"kuv yuav los kho"? this was simply, "kuv txoj kev xav." many of you
except for txaj xab tib tug, understood.
> Kuv xav qhia rau koj me ntsis txog ntawm tus ntawv hmoob RPA las tees
> nawb.Thaum pib tsis yog yuav tsim los rau hmoob thoob ntuj siv
> nad......yog cov txiv plig tsim los rau peb cov ntseeg NTSE XUS...
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Sep 19, 2008 15:30
> laid......hmoob tshuaj,hmoob tsis rhaub li nawb.....ceeb toom rau nej
> sawv daws paub ua ntej.......tsam lwm hnub nej hos hais tias nej tsis
> paub........kuv tsis yog hais rau koj xwb.......hais rau peb tsoom
> hmoob sawv daws.Peb tsev ntseeg KAV TAUS LIV yeej pom tias tus ntawv
> no yeej tsis tau zoo 100%% tiam sis tsis muaj nyiaj los kho ces lam
> siv li no mus.Hnub twg koj yuav teeb thaj ua neeb no ces hais kuv paub
> es kuv thiaj tsis foob nawb.
phwvnyawm awss...........ncab ncab ncab... ntshe ua raws li koj hais
ko ces txawm yuav yog li HL iab liam tias, "xav nrov npe" tiag pob
yom?
qhia rau koj tias tib neeg ruam ruam thiaj li xav muaj nyiaj txiag ua
ntej txhua tsav txhua yam xwb.
you have to understand, the "bible" today has many translation. the
bible translated in hmong is not even accurate. i have read a few, and
they are interpreted incorrectly. think about it the layers of
translation between the original source and hmong version. think about
what has already been lost, added, modified, etc.... this is not about
the bible, but the misunderstanding through the un-natural use of
latin alphabets by hmong people.
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Author: teevlisteevlis Date: Sep 19, 2008 20:14
On Sep 16, 2:17 pm, zhen googlemail.com> wrote:
Zhen,
Let's see if I have understood your premises correctly:
(1) RPA is responsible for disunity among Hmong
(2) A non-RPA would bring unity to Hmong
(3) Though, RPA is simpler, cause for disunity should disqualify RPA
Thus, these premises need to be proven as being true of false.
(1) Is RPA responsible for Hmong disunity, true or false?
Answer: Even if RPA does not exist, Hmong disunity still rema
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