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Author: zhenzhen Date: Sep 16, 2008 11:17
cov phooj ywg s/d,
thov kom nej pab kho kom tau peb hmoob tej ntaub tej ntawv tiag tiag.
nej cov muaj rab peev xwm, nej tsis txhob lam muaj tso tseg thiab qaug
luag lub tswv yim. qhov no tsis yog cem, tiam si, txhawb hmoob lub
neej thiab txoj kev sib hlub loj hlob zuj zus mus yam tom ntej xwb.
tej yam, luag sab nraum tau tsim rau peb, yeej lees paub yeej ris luag
txiaj. tiam si, yog raws li kuv xav, peb hmoob tsis paub + txawj hais
kom sib haum peb tus kheej. vim li ntawv, tej yam twb yog lub zoo tswv
yim los tseem poob qees.
nyob raws li science, lawv siv qhov tswv yim, occam's razor. qhov no,
tej co tsis paub, txhais hais tias, "All other things being equal, the
simplest solution is the best." (wikipedia) tiam si, qhov no, yog
txhais raws li kev yooj yim xwb. qhov tseeb, yog koj muab xav mus xav
los, yog, "a solution should be as simple as possible, but no
simpler."
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Author: vimhlubvimhlub Date: Sep 16, 2008 12:43
Xibfwb zhen,
Koj hais tabsis leejtwg yuav yog tus pib nas?
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Author: TswvYimTswvYim Date: Sep 16, 2008 12:15
Bawg Zhen aws,
Kho taus cov ntawv yuav kho tsis taus cov neeg lis ces, koj cias lis los
es wb mus noj fawm kom qab qab xwb os.
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Author: moobntsuabmoobntsuab Date: Sep 16, 2008 14:44
Zhen,
Nej cov txivneeb laus teeb thaj kho ces suav daws kuj caum xwb los
pob. Pes tsawg pab sawv los kho los yuav tos TXIV NAIS PHOOS approve
xwbx ces thiaj zoo li hniaj hnub no. Kuv saib nej leej twg yeej hla
tsi dhau txiv naisphoos ib taws li las sav... yuav ua cas thiaj kho
tau mad?
Nej tsa pes tsawg lub rooj sab laj los kho ntawv Hmoob lawm? Ntau heev
lawm laiv... kuv xav na... Tseem tshuav kuv cov ntawv Moob Ntsuab tsi
tau coj tuaj nrug mej has... kav tsij hu conference tsawg tsuag kuv
yuav rawm coj kuv le ntawv Moob Ntsuab tuaj nrug mej sibkhu.
Moobntsuab
On Sep 16, 11:17Â am, zhen googlemail.com> wrote:> cov phooj ywg s/d,
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> thov kom nej pab kho kom tau peb hmoob tej ntaub tej ntawv tiag tiag.
> nej cov muaj rab peev xwm, nej tsis txhob lam...
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Author: tzexaleetzexalee Date: Sep 16, 2008 22:22
Zhen,
Kuv yeej tsis tau paub dua koj li. Hnub no koj hais raug rau nqe lus
kuv nyiam tsum. Kuv yeej xav li koj xav los lawm ntev (tshaj li ntawm
20 xyoo). Kuv yeej tshawbfawb peb cov ntawv Hmoob yuav luag txhua
yam. Muaj tib yam ntawv Hmoob uas yuav rub tau peb txhua tsav Hmoob
los ua ke ces yog tib tug ntawv Phajhauj xwb. Tabsis, tus ntawv
Phajhauj li tamsim no sawvdaws niajhnub kawm niajhnub siv (lawj 2,
lawj 3, thiab lawj txhav) yeej siv tsis tau tau. Yuav tsum yog hloov
me ntsis (revise) thiaj siv tau. Raws li kuv tus txheej hloov
(revising formula), Hmoob, Moob, Ab Hmob (Hmoobnraug loj), As
Hmiaumnraum (Hmoobnraug me), Hmub, thiab Xyoob muaj peevxwm siv tau
uake. Sau ces yeej sau tib yam. Thaum nyeem ces nyias thiaj nyeem
tawm nyias tsav neeg lub suab.
Kuv xav mas yuav kho ntawv Hmoob es tasnrho Hmoob sawvdaws yuav lees
yuav mas kuv yeej xav hais tias peb mas ntshe Qin Shi Huang txoj kev
siv los kho kom tasnrho cov Suav sawvdaws siv Hanzi thiaj li yuav ua
tau kom Hmoob lees siv tib tug ntawv.
Tzexa
zhen wrote:
> cov phooj ywg s/d,
>
> thov kom nej pab kho kom tau peb hmoob tej ntaub tej ntawv tiag tiag.
> nej cov muaj rab peev xwm, nej tsis txhob lam muaj tso tseg thiab qaug
> luag lub tswv yim....
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Author: TonyTony Date: Sep 17, 2008 02:35
Zoo moov = good luck rua meb lub tswvyim. Lawv le kuv nrug cov ceev
ntawv QNQN, PH thaam, puab yeej tsi kaam hloov. Puab yeej muab nyuaj
quav xyaw neeg zi sischaab hab sischaw. Puab yuav sau kuas dluav taam
tsoom moob huv nplajteb mas txhaj le yog. Qhov ntawd yog ib lub
homphaj zoo. Ces kuv has tas, "Zoo moob" rua puab. Rausab puag lub
tswvyim ntawd pw es ua npausuav ntxiv saib nwg puas dlhau lug ua qhov
tseeb. Qhov tseeb tag yog peb tsi siv ces nwg yeej tsi muaj qaabhau.
Qaabhau ces yog lub hauvpaug hab lub ntsis xwb. Peb moob yeej yam lub
ntsis kws yog qhov luj (tau noj lawm maam le ua). Peb poob qhov
txheejtxheem (process) lawm. Nwg yuav nyam QNQN, PH, losyog RPA yog
tug txheejtxheem twg ncaaj hab siv tau cale siv moog. Pomxeeb yog cov
tubtxawj ntxhaisntse lawm es tseem tog cov...
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Author: cwjmemcwjmem Date: Sep 17, 2008 07:47
Muam Zhen,
Why don't we collectively form a group of Hmong intellectual, sit
down, and talk about it. I agree with you whole heartedly that we
need to reform our own written language. Threre approxiately 40+
alphabets, and many vowels.
On Sep 16, 11:17Â am, zhen googlemail.com> wrote:> cov phooj ywg s/d,
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> thov kom nej pab kho kom tau peb hmoob tej ntaub tej ntawv tiag tiag.
> nej cov muaj rab peev xwm, nej tsis txhob lam...
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Author: tseemyeejtseemyeej Date: Sep 17, 2008 09:57
All,
I think zhen is right on this, but I feel like we are battling a
losing war. My reason is that the Hmoobdawb are majority but so broken
up, on the other hands, the MoobLeeg are minority but so organized and
so disciplined. Sooner or later, we will see big SECTARIANISM among
us.
Too bad,
TseemYeej.
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Author: kwvtijkwvtij Date: Sep 17, 2008 11:20
kwv tij hmoo
--- i agree li tswv yim hais. kho tau hmoob lawm mam kho
tus ntawv mas thiaj tau noj. kho tau tus ntawm los yog kho tsis tau
hmoob ces yeej tsis tau noj ib zaug. yog kho tsis tau hmoob ces don't
waste your time. its better coj zob niam tub mus noj fawm tseem tsaus
plab dua.
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Author: muatonymuatony Date: Sep 18, 2008 15:47
On Sep 17, 1:22Â am, tzexa...@ msn.com wrote: > Zhen,
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> Kuv yeej tsis tau paub dua koj li. Hnub no koj hais raug rau nqe lus
> kuv nyiam tsum. Â Kuv yeej xav li koj xav los lawm ntev (tshaj li ntawm
> 20 xyoo). Â Kuv yeej tshawbfawb peb cov ntawv Hmoob yuav luag txhua
> yam. Â Muaj tib yam ntawv Hmoob uas yuav rub tau peb txhua tsav Hmoob
> los ua ke ces yog tib tug ntawv Phajhauj xwb. Â Tabsis, tus ntawv
> Phajhauj li tamsim no sawvdaws niajhnub kawm niajhnub siv (lawj 2,
> lawj 3, thiab lawj txhav) yeej siv tsis tau tau. Â Yuav tsum yog hloov
> me ntsis (revise) thiaj siv tau. Â Raws li kuv tus txheej hloov
> (revising formula), Hmoob, Moob, Ab Hmob (Hmoobnraug loj), As
> Hmiaumnraum (Hmoobnraug me), Hmub, thiab Xyoob muaj peevxwm siv tau
> uake. Â Sau ces yeej sau tib yam. Â Thaum nyeem ces nyias thiaj nyeem
> tawm nyias tsav neeg lub suab.
>
> Kuv xav mas yuav kho ntawv Hmoob es tasnrho Hmoob sawvdaws yuav lees
> yuav mas kuv yeej xav hais tias peb mas ntshe Qin Shi Huang txoj kev
> siv los kho kom tasnrho cov Suav sawvdaws siv Hanzi thiaj li yuav ua
> tau kom Hmoob lees siv tib tug ntawv. ...
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