back in 1999 you guys were talking about the possible meanings of
suav. did you guys ever come to a good conclusion? because all i
found was a posting of 8 responses. i think the people back then
didn't attack each other as they do now. but being as i was still on
aol back in 1999 with my internet boyfriends, perhaps some of you can
now discuss why it is that we call the Chinese people Suav.

Does the word Suav have anything to do with Han Shu? I don't know
chinese so maybe you can understand it.

My dad says Hmoob is just us calling ourselves, People. This is not
uncommon because many other people call themselves by the word in
their language that means people. Or maybe it's the other way around,
their name becomes for the word for people. Who knows.

On Dec 6, 10:08 am, Pajnplaimcua yahoo.com> wrote:

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'Hmoob Hlub Hmoob'

For 32 years, almost every Hmong talked about the philosophy of 'Hmoob
hlub Hmoob', and insofar, this idea never worked.

Why? Perhaps many of us thought about it, talked about it, dreamed
about it, envisioned about it; but the truth is we never practiced or
walked the fine line of what it really means to 'hlub Hmoob.'

With all of us working together, we can deliver this message of Hmong
unifying as a people, as a community. Thus, we need to discuss this
message at every meeting we have. Reiterate this message into our
community.

Hi,

Suav comes from XIA. XI = s in Hmong and A = ua in Hmong

Hmong was originally pronounced HMI-UN.
Therefore, HMI-UN --> HMIU -->HMAO, HMjO, HMONG, MONG, HMU, XIONG,
SEUNG, et.. in Hmong language and MIAU, MIAO, MAN etc.. in other
languages.

Tzexa
Miv dej tshuam miv dej ua niag dej.

Pajnplaimcua wrote:

On Dec 6, 11:08 am, Pajnplaimcua yahoo.com> wrote:

what's han shu? could you please provide some context.

the 'han' people aka 'chinese' aka ~1 billion people of china, are
believed to be descendants of huangdi + yandi, and from the 'hua-xia'
race.

yes, that is the current usage. but Hmoob is people (like us). people,
in general, is tib neeg. outsiders, in general, mab sua.

tzexa,

are you sure that 1) xi = s in RPA and 2) a = ua in RPA?

if anything, x = s and ia = ua would be better, since xi is not a
consonant like s. as for mandarin pinyin, i'm not aware of a consonant
with xi.

also, to provide one counter example of xi=s. in mandarin, for the
word incense, xiang2 = xyab. according to you, this would/should be
xiang2 = suab (imputing ang2 = ab). i'm not sure if there is a 1-to-1
mapping of consonants, vowels, and tones from 'chinese' to 'hmong'.

not sure if i believe this completely, but it could be possible suav
is derived from xia.

hmi-un? where did you get this from? is this from dab neeg?

how do we go from hmi-un to xiong, seung? i can see the corruption of
hmi-un to hmiu to the others, but not to xiong/seung.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shu_Han

Shu Han, in some maps i see Han Shu. But it would make sense right?
Because that was the Chinese kingdom closest to where the Hmongs are?
I don't know anything, just throwing out some thoughts

paj,

thanks. i thought shu han was book han (book of han, shu = book).

i'm not sure how that would fit into the greater context of things.
the first dynasty, qin, was 'barbaric' in origin. but yet, it was
'chinese'. after qin fell, then people from the former 'chu' dynasty
rose up and formed the 'han' dynasty. chu dynasty was also considered
'barbaric'. so, why is it that qin and han, both of 'barbaric'
origins, considered and eventually REVISED by the 'chinese' to be
'chinese'? this is CLEARLY the 'chinese' taking credit for other
people's work and achievements.

zhen and paj,

tej zaum kuj yuav yog li neb hais; yog li ces suav = counted or taxed,
right? yus txawm peem tau muaj txiaj ua tau neej zoo ces luag suav yus
nrog luag thiab ho tuaj sau yus se (tax could only be collected if
you're counted/census data collected)...

tsis tag li xwb lo "npau suav" los yog "dream" no ne? puas yog vim
tias peb ntshaw suav lub neej heev es thiaj siv tau lo lus "ua npau
suav toog...?"

tso li no es cia nej tham ntxiv tso...

On Dec 6, 1:16 pm, zhen gmail.com> wrote:

in the beganing suav is hmong cov qhev.
hmong use to count how many of slaves they have. so, after they took over
the hmong people, they force the hmong to call suav only and left out the
qhev. but the original words for them is suav qhev.