kuamemiab,

i'll summarize the story of tswb tshoj for you 'on-the-fly' because i
don't have time and my memory has failed me. this story was handed to
me by my loving and caring father (yet reckless and negligent at
times).

tswb tshoj yug los, nws muaj niam tab si nws tsis paub nws txiv. nws
mus ua suav qhev. muaj ib hnub, nws txawm pom ib tug xib nyuj (my
father interpreted xib nyuj as hippopotamus) ncig lub pas dej nws...

here is the link to dr. neejzoo t yaj's dabneeg/story as posted by csy
last year (it seemed so long ago though).

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.hmong/browse_thread/thread/9f6f844b82a20595/8d2832143eb47e62...#8d2832143eb47e62

revisiting that post, it seems like the some of the same old addicts
are still hanging out in sch.

Zhen,

you should already know what xib nyuj (xib nyawj...or nyuj
deg...corect me if i'm wrong..but nyawj is nyuj and xib is probably
from water, the hmonganize form of the chinese word for water.

personally, i would love this story more yog tias the story ends at
tswb tshoj becoming fuabtais...temsis this story seem to lag on...onto
the point of "madeup/addingup" lawm...

overall, it is a beautiful legend explaining the fortune of a orphan.

yaweh

yaweh,

raws li kuv paub mas 'xib' no yog kiag 'sea' no lawm nawb. suav
(mandarin) lo lus rau 'sea' (raws li kuv paub) mas yog 'hai3' (hai
third tone). suav lo lus hai3 no ces yog kiag hmoob lo lus, 'hiav', li
'hiav ntxwv', li 'dej hiav txwv'. thaum suav hais, shanghai (as in the
city shanghai), no ces LITERALLY yog, 'up the sea', or 'above the
sea'; yog hais raws lus hmoob ces, 'saum hiav' lawm ntag. tiam si,
suav kuj muaj lo lus, xi4 (xi fourth tone) thiab; x4 no mas yog 'dej
ntws'.

suav lo lus niu2 (niu second tone) no mas yog kiag hmoob lo lus nyuj
lawm ov.

yog li, koj xav seb, xi4 niu2 + xib nyuj, yog suav li los yog hmoob
li, yog suav lus los yog hmoob lus, yog suav hais los hmoob hais? ob
haiv neeg no yeej sib txheeb raws li tej lus siv siv + nyob sib ze
ntau txhiab qas xyoo. yog lees tias peb li lo tej zaum txhaum los
txhaum tsis loj pes tsawg (just look at the chinese, or ethnic han, or
chinese government, they officially recognize chiyou as a forerunner
of chinese civilization, aka one of thier own).

On Nov 14, 9:19 pm, zhen gmail.com> wrote:

Sis,

Uatsaug uas koj tau muab tshab thiab piav rau, tsis yog kuvxw, tabsis
coob leej ntau tus tau nyeem txog Tswbtshoj lub neej. You must do a
lot of research to come a cross these legends.

kuamemiab

Zhen,

tswb tshoj's father is not a pig like everyone else think. Hmong folklores
are very abstract when it comes to telling the story. nws txiv uas hluag
nraug heev heev thiab thaum twb muaj nws lawm los nws txiv tsis kam yuav
nws niam. lawv muab nws txiv piv raus tus taws npua xwb.

hais txog ntawm nws niam, thaum nws tuag nws niam muab nws coj nyiaj kub
coj los uas lub ntees tuag raus nws tag ces thaum yeeb ncuab tuaj txheeb
nws lis kingdom lawv thiaj defend tsis taus. zoo kiag lis niaj hnub nim no
es hmoob pluag pluag los lawv uas funeral tag $70,000 to $80,000 nyiaj.
piav raus meskas ma lawv cos haus yuav xwb. Kennedy tus tub tuag lub ntees
twb tsis tag nyiaj ntaus npaum kuv muaj ib tuag yawg tuag.

nej haus xav lis cas....?

On Nov 15, 9:09 am, "TswvYim" yahoo.com> wrote:

yog laus, phawv.

koj paub ntawm peb nyob no ib tug txiv xaiv tem nyiaj $2,500 thiab nqaij
txhuas hmo thiab ib tug npua cis. nws tseem coj nws cov mej zeeg tuaj pab
tuaj pad nws dawb dawb uas tsis them nyiaj lis. lis no es kuv niag npawg
tsujsua thiab ceev tsis pub leejtwg mus ntseeg vwjtswv lis ntag laus.

thiab hmoob cov tsev pam niag tuag ma yog muab cov nyiaj ntawv los twb uas
taus ib lub tsev loj raus cov ciaj mus noj30 lawm os.

tswv yim,

tej zaum koj hais muaj tseeb thiab. tiam si, vim li cas yeeb ncaub ho
pheej coj nyiaj, kub, hlau mus xiab tswb tshoj lub hleb (or toj ntxas)
thiab maj? yog tswb tshoj tsoo tsoo ntau npaum li no xyoo, npaum li no
lub hnub qub poob, ces suav kuj siv nyiaj, kuj, hlau ntau tib yam (los
tseem ntau dua) mus xiab lub hleb ntawd kom tswb tshoj txhob sawv tau.
koj xav puas yog? yog li ces suav kuj siv lawm ntau nyiaj, kub, hlau,
cas suav ho tseem kav teb chaws tsis tu ncua?

hais txog hmoob caiv tsis pub tooj hlau faus nrog tus tib neeg tuag,
kuv kuj tsis paub tseeb tseeb pib qhov twg los. xyov pib ua ntej tswb
tshoj? xyov mam li peb tom qab tswb tshoj? tiam si, niaj hnub nem no,
hmoob caiv kawg hais txog muab tooj muab hlau faus nrog tus tuag.

hais txog lub ntees kim kim mas nyob ntawm tsev neeg ntawm hwj tau
lawv tus kheej xwb. luag ua neej yus txwb tsis hais, luag tuag lawm,
yus kuj txhob hais. tej no peb txwb tham txog 2-3 zaug lawm. nyaj
nyias yeej paub nyias 4 mob yog siv nyiaj li xyob txhiaj.