The following phrases have been used in the past to divide the Hmong
Family about their faith.

Coj Dab:
Tseem Dab:
Teev Dab:
Ua Dab Qhev:
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Ua yes xus Qhev:
Lawb Dab : Sometime Lawb Neej (disown its own family member)
yes xus is the only hope (all other will go to Hell)
More negative terms

Should Hmong continue to ignore and denial the true cost of such
“division” to the Hmong Family with the use and promote of such
phrases (negative labeling). Or should we come together reject such
“division” and unit our family. Set aside our difference and building
better understanding of each other truth faith with respect. Please
shed some light on these “Phrases” and add more phrases to the list if
needed for the sake of discussion purpose. Thank

On Jun 20, 7:50 pm, LOM gmail.com> wrote:

On Jun 20, 8:12 pm, hmoobsiabp...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Jun 20, 5:28 pm, hmoobsiabp...@yahoo.com wrote:

Kuv zoo siab tau hnov koj txoj kev xav thiab hais txog nkaws lus no.
Raws li kuv soj ntsuam mas yeej yog li koj hais thiab tabsis tshuav ib
qhov. Qhov ntawm yog yuav tau los cais cov lus no kom meej. Example
los lus "DAB"

Raws li koj hais mas koj lub ntiab ntawm lo lus DAB no txhais tias:
Devil or Satan
Which I believe the majority of Hmong will Disagree with you, because
to them the word “DAB” doesn’t share the same meaing to them as the
english word “Devil or Satan” as you have put it.

For the mojority of Hmong who worship their ancestor and believe in
respecting nature. Teev hawm niam txiv poj yawg txwv txoob thiab TSWV
vaj TSWV tsev xwb) [Tsis yog "DAB" vaj "DAB" tsev] and by the way
definitely not Servant to Devil. But respecting Nature and the
enviorment. Such as a around the house, village, forest and nature in
general.

lom,

don't worry, hmong are always behind the curve. many christians ahead
of hmong christians already accept and tolerate other faiths. the
hmong christians are the primitive christians in thought, because they
still hold onto the notion that since they believe they way they do,
they are better than others. in due time, hmong christians will come
around and tolerate their own brothers and sisters of different
beliefs.

how do you propose we control people's thoughts? in america, we know
what's wrong and right and politically correct and what not. the
standard is beamed to us daily on the news channels. many people know...

uas dab qhev ces yog thaum tus txiv neeb plwg thais tas ces, ib tug nyuj
hus plig. lis no los yuav taus muag mes nyuam mus yuav nyuj.

hos tseeg yexus ma tsuas tias amen no xwb ces tas lawm. mes nyuam nyob mes
nyuam puv tsev.

hais lis no xwb koj paub lawm.

Lom & Zhen,

neb txhob tshum ntau ntau cov neeg coj li no thiab laud, tsua yog cov
neeg ruam--tsi muaj hlwb, tsi paubqab paubhaus thiab tsi txawj tsi
ntse thiaj li hais tej niag lus neb tau hais dhau los no xwb. luag
cov neeg nkagsiab, paubtab, thiab txawj ntse...nws txawm yuav mus yam
kev ntseeg twg los nws yeej tsi lam los hais tej niag lus li no li
nawb. one exception, and that is if he/she wants to get more $$$$$$$$$
$$$$, so she/he needs to preach that way so the members would
contribute more. dhau li ntawd, txhob muab tej neeg ruamqauj tej niag
los no coj los ib qhov chaw dhim thiab ua kev tsi sib nkagsiab.

Born

Many of your do not understand the term "dab." for a hmong (for those
of you who still consider yourself a hmong), dab includes spiritual
entities, and yes..that includes yawmsaub, god, yexus, jesus etc.

for a hmong christian to say "peb lawd dab lawm" would only mean he/
she doens't understand the hmong concept of dab. for a nonchristain
to say "nej cov lawd dab" would only mean the same thing. for hmong
christain to say "peb kev li kev cai change lawm" would only mean that
he/she doenst' udnerstand kevlikevcai...because kevlikevcai has
nothing to do with religion. for a hmong christain to say "nej ua dab
qhev", he/she tsi paub tias yexus yog a bastard kid...so please, watch
your language and you will not get bastardized. for those who refer
to adam and eve as "nkauj iab nraug oo" or refer the bible god as
"yawmsaub"..this is just a stupid desperate attempt to connect the two
very different religion...

for a hmong, we yeej ib txim paub the diffreencce between dab qus and
dab nyeg....dab nyeg yog hauv tsev...dab qus yog cov outside
dab...include god, yawmsaub, yexus etc. for a hmong, to convert is
not...

yawg tsuj,

there is such a thing as lawb dab. what would you called atheists?

to call hmong christians 'lawb dab' or have themselves refer to their
newfound belief status as such, is truly paradoxical and insulting/
self-insulting, if they know it or not.

i agree with you, however, that hmong christians if they 'lawb'
anything, it's lawb neej tsis yog lawb dab. (cas es koj yuav tsim tau
ib lo lus, term, mob siab ua luaj li rau peb cov kwv tij phooj ywg
ntseeg dab tshiab naj!)