Group: soc.culture.hmong · Group Profile
Author: sibtham2sibtham2 Date: Aug 10, 2007 16:41
On Aug 10, 3:05 pm, "lis...@ lycos.com" lycos.com> wrote:> On Aug 10, 12:46 pm, sibtham2 hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Not long ago Tsiv plig Nyiaj pao yaj passed away. He was a catholic
>> priest from France who went to live with the Hmong people in Laos in
>> the early 50. He spent most of his life with Hmong, shared Hmong
>> belief and worked to conserve Hmong culture and yet still being a
>> father. He was admired by all and Hmong value his teaching.
>> Why Tsiv plig Nyiaj pao doesn't put down Hmong culture and belief?
>> What did he see that other couldn't? Why could he accept and parctice
>> Hmong death ritual practice? Will he go to hell or heaven?
>> In contrast, the new self proclaim Hmong tsiv plig went completely to
>> the other direction? Days and night they bash and put down Hmong
>> belief and culture baling the reason Hmong Hmong misery? What had
>> happened happen to them? Why don't people listen to them but challenge
>> them? Who occupy the Hmong top position in religion? Were these new
>> tsisplig properly trained? What are the plans that they put in place
>> to co exist with Hmong? Sibtham
>
> Ib yam uas kuv tsis tshuam totaub zoo mas yog vim li cas Txiv Plig
> Nyiajpov thiaj kom lawv muab Hmoob cov foomkoom tig ua Vajlugkub
> foomkom es rub lub rooj ib yam li Hmoob ua kevcai old tradition. Cov
> kev foomkom nyob hauv ntiajteb no yeej yuav muaj hwjchim tsis tau ntau
> dua li lub Priesthood lawm yog vim li cas lawv thiaj tseem ho yuav
> foomkom li ntawd. Raws li kuv sab mas ntshe Hmoob yeej tseg tsis tau
> Hmoob txojkev li ces kawg cia muab Vajlugkub tig ua Hmoob cov es kom
> Hmoob kawm tau xwb los xyov yog coj Vajlugkub mus txiaj ua Hmoob
> tradition li lawm. Kuv saib tag kuj ua rau kuv tsis nkag siab li.
>
> Nom
Nom,
Kuv yeej paub zoo hais tias nej yuav confuse heev. Tabsis kus twb tsis
muab cov kev tsis sib haum
los hais lawm. Kuv muab questions rov qab los rau sauvdaws xav vim
tias kuv pom coob tus muab bible
los nyeem tas phab tas pheev uas tsis muaj kev xav li.
Thaum Tsisplig Nyiaj pov tau tas ib sim neej lawm, kuv yeej xav paub
kom tseeb hais tias pos yog Hmoob hlub tsig plig es Hmoob thiaj yuav
muab kevcai Hmoob liam ua rau yawg. Tiam sis Txiabneeb ua yog ib tus
tub ua haujlwm ze thiab muab xov rau cov kwv tij Hmoob tau hais li no
rau kuv:
"nws yeej thov kom muab
nws lub ntees leg kom zoo li hmoob lub. lub church catholic los yuav
coj nws mus ua lawv li kev cai ib yam, thiab."
Tsis tas li ntaw cov no yog Tsivplig nyiaj pov cov lus ua nws sau kiag
( sorry I can't verify)
"1 - Tas tsoom Hmoob huv tib si yog kuv cov tub ki,
cov ntseeg thiab cov tsis tau los ntseeg huv tib si.
Thaum kuv puv 120 xyoo, kuv vam tias sawv daws yuav
nta kuv lub ntees zoo li Hmoob ua rau ib leeg txiv los ib tug laus.
Kuv vam tias nej sawv daws yuav thov Ntuj tsis tseg rau kuv.
2 - Kuv kuj tau hais ob peb lo lus rau sawv daws, muab tso rau
tim As Mes Lis Kas teb. Txog caij txog nyoog mas lawv yuav muab
qhib rau sawv daws hnov.
Pontmain, lub 8 hli, tim 15, ntuj 2006. "
Yog ib tus tsivplig dog pe dig ntawm tej xwb mas cov xibfwb tsiab yuav
hais tias nwv vwm lawm no.
tabsis sawdaws yeej respect nws. There is no argument on this.
Yog vim li cas nws thiaj coj li no? Yog nws tsis tau taub kev tseeg
los yog nej tsis tau taub kev tseeg?
It is in this perspective that I would like to steer the discussion.
How about the questions I post previously? What is your thought? Will
this confusion bring you back to
consider your belief especially in the "tolerance" aspect?
"Raws li kuv sab mas ntshe Hmoob yeej tseg tsis tau
Hmoob txoj kev li ces kawg cia muab Vajlugkub tig ua Hmoob cov es kom
Hmoob kawm tau xwb los xyov yog coj Vajlugkub mus txiaj ua Hmoob
tradition li lawm."
Yog vim li cas koj thiaj hais cov lus saum no? Koj twb pom tsis plig
Nyiaj pos cov lus hais lawm sav?
Hmong twb tsis liam ua kev cai rau yawg pos yog? Twb yog tsis plig
qhov wish kiag los koj tseem
muab liam rau Hmoob thiab los? Why so much hatreat toward Hmong
cultural practice?
Tsis tas li ntawv kuv yeej realize tau hais tias yog tsiv plig Nyiaj
pos tsis whish ua kev cai Hmoob
los Hmoob yeej respect tau ib yam.
" Kuv saib tag kuj ua rau kuv tsis nkag siab li." if there are still
confusion and doubt then it means that one is still searching to
understand religion. I have no doubt that Tsiv plig Nyiaj pov had any
confusion when he wrote his final words. As I wrote before, when he
lived he had helped Hmong and he realized the religious conflict among
Hmong and even after he passed away he still managed to leave a final
message that Hmong "cov tseeg thiab cov tsis ntseeg" should co-exist
and he sacrificed himself as a example.
Sibtham.
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