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Peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob 6 tiam 21.         


Author: LOM
Date: Aug 14, 2008 20:20

Nyob zoo ib tsoom phooj ywg saws daws,

If we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help to bring
Hmong together for our children.

Kuv xav nrog nej saws daws tham txog peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob
6 tiam 21 no? Nej ho xav li cas? Koj nev, koj ho xav li cas? Koj puas
tau hlub Hmoob duab? Yog koj yuav qhuab qhia koj teb meb tub meb
ntxhais koj lawv loj hlob tuaj xyau los hlub Hmoob koj yuav qhuab qhia
lawv li cas? Yog vim li cas koj thiab li qhuab qhia lawm li ntawd?

Yog koj ua tau 3 yam 6 koj haiv hmoob, koj tsev neeg thiab koj tej me
tub me ntxhais. Yam koj yuav ua ntawv yog dab tsis thiab yog vim li
cas koj thiab xaim 3 yam no?

Yog tias koj yog tus Hmoob ua txhov nyem tshaj nyob rau hauv lub ntiaj
teb no, koj xav koj haiv Hmoob pab koj licas? (seem kev seem cai)

Yog tias koj yog tus Hmoob ua muaj tshaj nyob rau hauv lub ntiaj teb
no, koj ho xav pab koj haiv Hmoob li cas?

Ua tsaug ntau. [more questions to come]
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Re: Peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob 6 tiam 21.         


Author: Moobsib
Date: Aug 15, 2008 05:07

LOM,

Ua tsaug ntau kws koj pib tau lub haulug zoo hab tseem ceeb rua peb
suav dlawg lug nrug tawm tswvyim hab kev xaav.

Kuv muaj kev txhawjxeeb txug tas ntshai peb tsoom Hmoob nyob phaab nub
poob nuav yuav pluj tsi ntev tom ntej nua. Naj nub nua xwb ntxim zoo
le peb Hmoob lub social structure taab tom nyob rua lub saamxeeb
(stage) ntsoog los sis lwj. It seems to me that the vast majority of
our people there is a huge gap between the older and the younger
generations. Kuv ntseeg has tas dhlau peb phaum nuav lawd ces peb tej
mivnyuas yeej tsi muaj tug yuav has txug Hmoob lawm. Naj nub nua tej
kuv naj nub has hab ua rua tsoom Hmoob yeej tsi txug kuv tej mivnyuas
quas nkig ib qho hlo le.

Yog tas kuv yog ib tug neeg txomnyem tshaaj plawg huv lub ntlaj teb
nua, nua kuv xaav kuas tsoom kwvtij Hmoob kws muaj kev txawj kev ntse
qha seb kuv yuav ua le caag txhaj le sawv taug nrug luas muaj noj muaj
haus.
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Re: Peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob 6 tiam 21.         


Author: TED
Date: Aug 15, 2008 13:36

How "the gap between the older and the younger generations." become
part of our lives? since, when? this issue become a problem for us or
it growing out of control?

Moobsib wrote:
> LOM,
>
> Ua tsaug ntau kws koj pib tau lub haulug zoo hab tseem ceeb rua peb
> suav dlawg lug nrug tawm tswvyim hab kev xaav.
>
> Kuv muaj kev txhawjxeeb txug tas ntshai peb tsoom Hmoob...
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Re: Peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob 6 tiam 21.         


Author: TED
Date: Aug 17, 2008 07:22

Feel free to share your thought on this topic.
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Re: Peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob 6 tiam 21.         


Author: pebhmoobruam
Date: Aug 17, 2008 09:38

On Aug 14, 10:20 pm, LOM gmail.com> wrote:
> Nyob zoo ib tsoom phooj ywg saws daws,
>
> If we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help to bring
> Hmong together for our children.
>
> Kuv xav nrog nej saws daws tham txog peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob
> 6 tiam 21 no? Nej ho xav li cas? Koj nev, koj ho xav li cas? Koj puas
> tau hlub Hmoob duab? Yog koj yuav qhuab qhia koj teb meb tub meb
> ntxhais koj lawv loj hlob tuaj xyau los hlub Hmoob koj yuav qhuab qhia
> lawv li cas? Yog vim li cas koj thiab li qhuab qhia lawm li ntawd?
>
> Yog koj ua tau 3 yam 6 koj haiv hmoob, koj tsev neeg thiab koj tej me
> tub me ntxhais. Yam koj yuav ua ntawv yog dab tsis thiab yog vim li
> cas koj thiab xaim 3 yam no?
>
> Yog tias koj yog tus Hmoob ua txhov nyem tshaj nyob rau hauv lub ntiaj
> teb no, koj xav koj haiv Hmoob pab koj licas? (seem kev seem cai)
>
> Yog tias koj yog tus Hmoob ua muaj tshaj nyob rau hauv lub ntiaj teb ...
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Re: Peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob 6 tiam 21.         


Author: TED
Date: Aug 18, 2008 10:15

On Aug 17, 11:38 am, pebhmoobr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Aug 14, 10:20 pm, LOM gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Nyob zoo ib tsoom phooj ywg saws daws,
>
>> If we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help to bring
>> Hmong together for our children.
>
>> Kuv xav nrog nej saws daws tham txog peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob
>> 6 tiam 21 no? Nej ho xav li cas? Koj nev, koj ho xav li cas? Koj puas
>> tau hlub Hmoob duab? Yog koj yuav qhuab qhia koj teb meb tub meb
>> ntxhais koj lawv loj hlob tuaj xyau los hlub Hmoob koj yuav qhuab qhia
>> lawv li cas? Yog vim li cas koj thiab li qhuab qhia lawm li ntawd?
>
>> Yog koj ua tau 3 yam 6 koj haiv hmoob, koj tsev neeg thiab koj tej me
>> tub me ntxhais. Yam koj yuav ua ntawv yog dab tsis thiab yog vim li
>> cas koj thiab xaim 3 yam no?
> ...
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Re: Peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob 6 tiam 21.         


Author: kwvtij
Date: Aug 18, 2008 11:18

yawg lom-- peb haiv neeg hmoob yog ib haiv neeg very capable, tab sis
yog qhov problem yog los ntawm discipline xwb. the more you give them
free lunch, they lazier they become. 2 examples. in 80's peb hmoob
tuaj nyob teb chaws no, sawv daws tau welfare noj mas niaj hnub pw
txog 11, 12 moos hnub qaij mam sawv daws. niaj hnub xya me nyuam coob
coob xwb. we do nothing except eat and sleep. tab sim tom qab tsoom
fwv muab welfare txiav lawm, peb hmoob muaj business loj li loj, muaj
laj kam loj, muaj vaj muaj tsev zoo nyob lawm. ho nyob rau sab
nplog. thaum ub tsis tau muaj cov hmoob mekas xa xa nyiaj mus rau
hmoob nplog mas lawv ua lawv liaj lawv teb noj. tab sis tam sim no
muaj cov kwv tij txheeb ze thiab cov poj nrauj yawg nrauj nyob teb
chaws no xa xa nyiaj mus lawm ces lawv niaj hnub...
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Re: Peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob 6 tiam 21.         


Author: TED
Date: Aug 18, 2008 19:53

Nyob zoo tus kwvtij,

Zoo siab qhov koj tau tuaj tham txog koj txoj kev pom txog ntawm peb
haiv neeg Hmoob rau ib tsoom sawv daws tau nrog xav. Kuv muab saib los
mus li koj thawj thawj 2 qhov example txog peb Hmoob USA lub neeg txij
thaum 80's los thiab niaj hnub niam no hais txog ntawm Hmoob USA and
Hmoob Lao. Raws li kuv xav xwb "Koj yeej hais ntsia ntsees rau tej
teeb meem ua peb Hmoob rov tsim rau peb tsev neeg. Thank for your
thoughtful and detail observation.

However, in regard to the solution you suggest to help with these
problems. I believe it will be near impossible to do so, due to the
fact of reality. But I'm sure as thoughtful and concern as you are
about these problems. I believe with time and small change here and
there we can come up with a more suitable solution for these problem.

Thank you,

Lom

kwv...@aol.com wrote:
> yawg lom-- peb haiv neeg hmoob yog ib haiv neeg very capable, tab sis
> yog qhov problem yog los ntawm discipline xwb. the more you give them
> free lunch, they lazier they become...
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Re: Peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob 6 tiam 21.         


Author: Born2beHmong
Date: Aug 18, 2008 21:14

Ted,

perhaps, you missed understand my explaination of Beemouahaofa's
post. go back and reread the way he wrote and his intention of the
letter that gave them the reason to say what they had said. if the
question would post in different of manner, i believe that everyone
would be more linear and open discussion the topic for more fruitful.
just the nature and content of its intention already turned off to
many...please check.

Born
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Re: Peb Hmoob txoj kev sib hlub nyob 6 tiam 21.         


Author: teevlis
Date: Aug 18, 2008 21:56

LOM,

All relevant questions, but need clearer definitions on the following
key points:

(1) Bringing Hmong together.

(2) Hlub Hmoob.

Unless the definitions are clear and concise, these defining key
points become insignificant. In logical terms, one cannot discuss that
which one does not understand. Thus, defining these key points is the
point of beginning, if any discussion were to be significant.

Teev
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