Muaj pes tsawg hom, yam, ntuj kws moob siv? Muaj pes hom, yaam, fuab
tais kws moob paub?

Vwj Zoov Tsheej sau has tas "ntuj uas poj niam ua tswv kav" txhais has
tas tam kws quas puj ua tswv kaav teb chaws.

Ua le ntawd, moob lu lug "fuab tais ntuj" yog has rua tug fuab tais kws
kaav lub teb chaws rua tam tuab neeg ntawd los yog fuab tais ntuj,
ntsuj plig kws muaj fwj chim kws moob ntseeg has tas kaav plaub ceg
kaum ntuj plaub ceg teb?

Faib mej cov tswv yim tuaj pub rua kuv tau kawm ntxiv saib.

Yawm Tony,

Huab tais ntuj = tswv ntuj = ntuj niam ntuj txiv = Jehova= allah= god
(same god)

Sivyis = Jesus = cawm seej (savor)

Buddha, Mohamad, Confucious are god's messengers for human kind. They
preached human kind to get along. They never claimed that they could
issue tickets for humans to get into heaven. Human must earn them by
doing good things to each others. They too died graciously like any of
us.

cwjmem,

In your opinion, ntuj, fuab tais ntuj, is reference to the heavenly
being whether man or spirit that has the supernatural power that man
can call upon in time of distress.

How did Mong make the transistion from the kingom, ntuj, and king, fuab
tais ntuj, to the heavenly being who they believe to possess such
power?

I am after how ntuj, earthly dwelling, mystically evolved to such a
heavenly being.

Please share some more.

Yawm Tony,

I heard the creation of this world through Hmong radio talk show from
Hmongminnesotaradio.com. It was very interesting. Those two indivuals
put together with verbal stories, learned them from shamen, Txiv saiv,
zaj tshoob, has lug txaj..etc.

Here what they said:

Ntuj nam hab ntuj txiv (god) create Nkauj Hnub Nraug Hli. Nkauj Hnub
Nraug Hli creates earth (they nurture earth days and nights to make
sure that all living things can live).

Ntuj nam ntuj txiv tsim Yawm saub thiab Puj Saub lug qhia tuab neeg
plaj teb.

Thaum kws Nkauj Hnub Nraug Hli tsim tau lub blaj teb lug lawm, yawm
saub tsim tau Yaaj (yaj ceeb) hab Yeeb (Yeeb teb) (Ying & Yang in
tern of chinese) Yaaj (neeg) hab Yeeb (dlaab) could not get along so
they create different places for Yaaj and Yeeb.

Nkauj ab Nraug Oo yog yawm saub puab lug nyob rua lub blaj teb. Siv
Yis yog tus kws khu tuab neeg. Ntxwg Nyoo yog tus kws noj tuab neeg.

cwjmem,

Thank you for the story. That goes along with what other old folks
tell their stories in social gathering as well which was verbal only.
It shows that the story originated from heaven. There was a being jump
start everything that twigling down to earth and slowly evolved to the
present settings.

However, that seems to be a myth of metaphor and quite hard to make
sense out into the real life application. Same thing with other
cultures and their stories. In writing, it painted a more believable
story that has some real application how it evolved from the beginning
of the story to the present settings.

Mong / Hmong's ntuj and fuab tais ntuj story started almost the same as
that of the Jewish patriarchs of how the angels or heaven hosts
associated with earthly creature, man. The only difference was that,
they now have a history and applicable in life. Mong / Hmong still
dwell in the myth.

actually tony

yog koj xav paub, kuv qhia tau koj kawg ma. temsis zaj dabneeg no
ntev heev...kuv muab kau rau kuv ib tug mejzeeg nyob fabkis..it takes
2 hours to finish (2 cassettes...but it didn't cover everything, kuv
tsuas hais txog tu sub/lwm qaib thiab lwm yam me me xwb..).
yog koj xav paub tiag ces....tuaj
ntsib kuv tom tsev...hmo 30...kuv mam piav rau nej mloog.

but i must warn you, this story is just as confusing as the creation
story in the bible. and very similar to the bible story. for example,
god created light before suns/moons. in this story, god doesn't play
a role at all. just as the bible says god "has no beginning..not
ending",
this story also imply that "yawmsaub fuabtais ntuj also came oout of
nowhere...without a beginning/ending.."

the story starts out like this....

Yawg Tsuj,

Ua tsaug os. We need a person like you to educate us on this subject.
I believe not many of us know our own cultural ritual and how it
evolved from the start other than just participate in the ritual
ceramonies. For example, tus qaib qia tsiaj yog dab tsi" I eat with
them, but don't really know what it mean in the wedding.

Tony,

Here you go. Tsuj can answer all your question. Honestly, the hmong
story of creation is just a interesting as Jew. Perhaps, we need
someone to compile the verbal stories and put in a book to educate
everyone of us on our own culturall rituals.

Tsujsua Dluag wrote:

You are too uptight to Mong culture and already jump to conclusion that
I will not read if you type a 50 pages.

Go ahead, type and send to me. I'll read it and give you a feed back.

I am too far away and too poor to fly on the 30th just to listen to
your story. Why don't you send a copy of the tape you recorded for
your apprentice in france. I will listen it it. Two hours is not that
long.

Let me know.

tony..

yes..it was unfair for me to say you won't read it...because as boring
as the bible was, i did read it a few times...

i don't mean the 30th...i meant mo 30 next year..hmong new year's eve.
as for the casette, i don't usually make copies for myself when i
record something to others. peb ua tuabneeg nyob tes..yauv tsum muaj
leejtwg tas "yaweh, koj sim qha seb..qhov nuav qhov nuav yog dlaabtsi"
nua mas yus txhaj le siv sijhawm has kuas zoo zoo. yog nyob huv nuav
xwb tes, most of the things we write r just very basic..very roguht and
soemthings the spelling aren't even correct.

the reason why i chose mo 30 lug has...its because every year, during
hmong new year's eve, i would invite about 10-20 people to come and
share ideas...all night long...ranging from stories to qeej to tshoob
to txiv xaiv to khawv koob and other related issues that we must
learn as hmong. yog koj xaav paub tag tes...txug mo 30, just go to
any "old knowledgable man" and stay with him that night...and ask them,
they will tell you many things.

yaweh

Tsujsua Dluag ,

Thaus twg zoo caij tsuav kuv maam nrhav sib hawm moob tshawb, noog,
kawm tej koj has ntawd.