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Author: txiabneebtxiabneeb Date: Jan 25, 2007 13:30
kab ntsab ib tsoom boj yaig,
thov txim yuav rov tsa ib suab hu nej ib tsoom muaj meej muaj mom dua
ib zaug ntxiv nawb. tej zaum twb hu twb caw lawm los thov zam txim
txais txoj xov no dua ib zaug ntxiv.
peb Hmoob koom haum khaws Hmoob teej tug: Hmong Archives twb npaj tau
lawm yuav pib tham txog kev yuav los mus nrhiav txuj tsa peb Hmoob li
lus hais thiab kev sau ntaub sau ntawv Hmoob kom meej xeeb; qhov nov
yuav tsis tau hais tias peb yuav tsa dua ib tug niam ntawv tshiab los
sis peb yuav los mus txhawb ib tug xwb.
lub hom phiaj yog yuav los mus tsim tsa kev los mus pab txhawb kom luag
lwm haiv pom los zoo li peb kev hais lus thiab kev sau ntaub ntawv kuv
nyob muaj kab muaj ke xwb. nej yeej pom thiab paub lawm tias peb Hmoob
li lus feem ntau yog nyob rau kab tshoob kev kos thiab lwm hom kab lis
kev cai tag lawm. yog no peb tej lus siv los mus sib txuas lus thiab
sib qhia thiaj li tsawg heev.
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Author: NoogqejqawgNoogqejqawg Date: Jan 25, 2007 07:08
Nyob zoo ib tsoom bojyaig,
Kuv muab Xeev Nruag Xyooj hab Antony Vang cov ntawv coj lug ntsuag tas
kuv pum le nuav:
1. Tug tsaj ntawv "D" kws yog has lug Hmoob Dawb tawm ua "Dej, Dev,
Deb", kuv pheej xaav tas kom peb cov lug Moob/Hmoob muaj uniformity mas
tsi taag yuav ntxiv tug tsaj ntawv "L" (DL) rua peb xeem lug Moob Leeg.
Vim tas taab txawm lug Hmoob Dawb los tug tsaj ntawv ntawd yeej hloov
suab lawm, nwg tsi yog lub suab "ntee" qub lawm. Ib yaam le ntawv
Kauslim hab ntawv Suav, sau the same characters tawm sis nyag nyeem
tawm nyag xeem lug xwb. Ces lu lug "Dej" Hmoob Dawb nyeem ua "dej" peb
Moob Leeg nyeem ua "dlej" xwb ces tau lawm.
2. tug tsaj ntawv "nd" nuav mas kuv pum Antony muab siv has tawm tuab
lub suab nrug tug tsaj ntawv "nt" lawm. Qhov nuav yuam ua rua tsoom
neeg kws yuav kawm peb cov ntawv Hmoob/Moob confuse ntxiv xwb. Kuv xaav
tas siv tug "nt" xwb yeej txaus lawm. Kuv muab ua zoo xaav hab tshawb
saib puas tshuav lu lug los sis lub suab twg kws tsis tau muaj tsaj
ntawv lug has tau. Nwg tsuas tshuav lub suab "ndlhij ndlhuj" kws peb
cov Moob Leeg has qee zag xwb. Lu los sis lub suab nuav muab sau le
nuav los yeej tau "ntlhij ntlhuj" ib yaam.
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Author: cwjmemcwjmem Date: Jan 25, 2007 07:27
Nqq,
Cov ntawv Hmoob "Latin" no tsim nog peb sawv daws yuav los kho lawm vim
tias peb muab 3 los 4 tug ntawv Latin los ua li los lus. Xws li
"ntsh, ntxh, nphl etc. cov niam ntawv no yuav muaj ntau kawg yuav yog
li ob tug "alhabet" xwb.
Peb yuav pauv li no: Nplog = blog, ntsai = Jai, ntsheb = tjeb etc.
Just my thought!
On Jan 25, 7:08 am, "Noogqejqawg" yahoo.com> wrote:
> Nyob zoo ib tsoom bojyaig,
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> Kuv muab Xeev Nruag Xyooj hab Antony Vang cov ntawv coj lug ntsuag tas
> kuv pum le nuav:
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> 1. Tug tsaj...
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Author: muastonymuastony Date: Jan 25, 2007 08:06
Kuv xaav tas peb yuav tau lug khu tag+ tabsi tsi yog zoo rua ib saab
xwb tabsi yuav tsuj leeg yuav yog thaum suavdlawg khu tau lawm. Kuv tau
moog txug Phabmab Teb hab ntsib cov Moob nyob saab peg, puab tseem tau
noog kuv tas vim le caag es lus lug Moob " Roob hab Tsoob" nuas txawv
le caag. Kuv tau teb puab tas lus lug TSOOB mas yog cov has tsi meej
xwb tabsi lus lug nuav muab txhai tau siv lwm lus hab, xw le kev sib
hlub ntawd tej nkawm nam txiv los yog hluas nkauj nluas nraug. Peb yuav
tau xyum has kom nwg very uniform tsi yog kuv xaav sau nraw kuv lub
suab ces sau, koj xaav sau nraw koj lub suab ces koj sau. Peb Moob tej
kev lig kev cai los yog" DLEV NPUA CAI XWB TSI YOG MOOB CAI ". Yog vim
le caag es Moob txhaj hu Moob tej kev lig kev cai ua Dlev Npua cai,
vim nyag ua nraw le nyag lub sab...
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Author: ntsuabxwmntsuabxwm Date: Jan 25, 2007 08:11
Yog lawm nqq, yog hloov yuav tau hloov ntau yaam, xws le cov tsaj ntawv
le koj ha nuav, hab tsi taag le ntawm xwb kuv tseem xaav kuam muab cov
lug kw nyob le vaam meej etc... zoo le nuav coj lug sau ua ke
"vaameej". Many more we need to focus on but no body wanted to put all
this thing together. Even some have try but never go into it and
forget, think the religion are take the big park of this and they just
use to it for now, as general I think we need to make an adjust to our
written language to be more compete and challance to the form or the
norm of education.
cwjmem wrote:
> Nqq,
>
> Cov ntawv Hmoob "Latin" no tsim nog peb sawv daws yuav los kho lawm vim
> tias peb muab 3 los 4 tug ntawv Latin los ua li los lus. Xws li
> "ntsh, ntxh, nphl etc. cov niam ntawv...
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Author: NoogqejqawgNoogqejqawg Date: Jan 25, 2007 08:28
Cwjmem,
Yog khu tau le koj has mas kuj los zoo hab. Kuv xaav tas YOB cov ntawv
kuj muaj qee tug tsaj ntawv kws zoo siv kawg lawm. Tawm sis yog ho muab
hloov ntau dlhau mas kuj yuav haj yam ntxhuv rov rua peb lawm hab, kuv
xaav naj.
nqq
On Jan 25, 10:27 am, "cwjmem" hotmail.com> wrote:
> Nqq,
>
> Cov ntawv Hmoob "Latin" no tsim nog peb sawv daws yuav los kho lawm vim
> tias peb muab 3 los 4 tug ntawv Latin los ua li los lus. ...
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Author: kuamemiabkuamemiab Date: Jan 25, 2007 08:33
noogqejqawg,
Koj hais tau yog kawg li lawm. Tsis muaj ib yam uas tsimnyog yuav los
hloov, ntxiv, thiab thaiv koj cov lus li. Kuv thiaj li tau nug dhau
los lawm tias, "Sau li hais lossis sau li yog?"
1. Sau li hais mas yog: Pivtxwv li lolus "sawvdaws" vim nyias nyob
nyias ib roojteb ces tejlus hais los yeej sib txawv yog li ntawd muaj
ib txhia hais , "suavdaws," ib txhia hais, "sawvdaws", tabsis cov
kwvtij Hmooblees tseem haistias, "suavdlawg" no thiab mas yeej ua rau
peb covnyom kawgnkaus li. Qhov luag yuav nug mas muaj pestsawg hom
Hmoob? Tseebtiag, ces, peb muaj ib hom Hmoob xwb, tabsis nyias tsuas
hais siv nyias lub suab los hais ib lolus lawm xwb, twb tsis yog nyias
hais nyias lus lawm thaib; yog peb ua tibzoo siab'os.
2. Sau li yog: Txawm yog hom lus dabtsi thiab pab neeg twg los, yog
cov coob hais licas ces sau li ntawd ntag, es thaum yus hom hais ces
muab txia kiag ua yus lus xwb. Qhov no mas peb thiajli yuav vammeej
taus thiab kev kawm thiajli yuav tsis los txwv peb txoj hau kev thiab
thiaj ua rau peb totaub.
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Author: NoogqejqawgNoogqejqawg Date: Jan 25, 2007 08:49
Muastony hab Ntsuabxwm,
To taub meb cov lug zoo. Qhov peb yuav khu tau mas yog suav dlawg-
especially cov kws lug nyob ua ke khu- yuav tsum saib rua sau yug haiv
neeg tseem ceeb es yuav tsum compremise for what is-are the best for
all. Yuav tsum tsis txhob muab tej nyuas minor issues lug sis nyom kuas
pemsij rua qhov progress ntawd.
Kuv los yeej to taub hab xaam pum tas tej lu lug noun kws muaj 2 los
sis peb lu lug yuav tsum muab sau sis txuas txhaj yog. Tawm sis yuav ca
rua cov kws ntawv lug pav saib tug txheejtxheem ntawv Moob yog le caag
tag. Yog puab khu tau le caag ces peb suav dlawg yuav tau yoog hab yuav
raws le ntawd moog.
Ua tsaug...
nqq
On Jan 25, 11:11 am, "ntsuabxwm" yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yog lawm nqq, yog hloov yuav tau hloov ntau yaam, xws le cov tsaj ntawv
> le koj ha nuav, hab tsi taag le ntawm xwb kuv tseem xaav kuam...
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Author: muastonymuastony Date: Jan 25, 2007 08:57
Yawm Paaj,
Kuv xaav tas peb cov Moob Leeg yeej ib txwm nyaj qhov yooj+ yim. Yog le
tom qaab ces peb maam chim rua cov phoojywg Moob Dlawb tas puab saib
tsi taug peb. Qhob tseeb tag yog vim peb yog ib paab tuab neeg...
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Author: TonyTony Date: Jan 25, 2007 12:04
Cov yawm,
Muab ntawv moob dlawb nyeem ua ntawv moob leeg tau ces twb tsi muaj nd,
ndl, ndlh hab dl le tej ntawd. Vim has sau tsi tau hab has tsi tau lug
moob leeg es Xeev Nruag Xyooj puab txhaj le tsim muaj cov ntawd lug rua
moob leeg siv.
Mej saib cov phau ntawv qha qub ntau meb muaj lug moob dlawb xwb, lug
moob leeg tsi muaj los yog poob taag lawm laiv. Saib tej ntawd xwb
yeej txaus xaav kawg has tas moob leeg tsi muaj lug hab tsi muaj ntawv
has kuas meej los caag es yuav sau ntawv los log has lug tais nplaig
tsawv le ntawd?
Txawm le caag los rau sab tawm tswv yim yeej yuav khu tau xwb. Yuav
tog ib paab tuab neeg khu ces yuav nyuab lau cov yawm. Mej saib maj
suav dlawg has taag ces ca le lawm xwb vim tsi muaj leej twg ua hum
suav dlawg sab es txhaj tsi muaj leej twg tsim los yog khu kua hum suav
dlawg sab es peb txhaj tsi muaj qauv, standard le mej has.
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