Tsoom npojyaig,

Muaj caij nua moog noog Ywjpheej thaam txug Hmoob/Moob saib mej ho
xaav le caag. Kuv saib yawd kuj los muab tau qaab taug hauvxauv lug
has kawg hab laiv. Tej zag kuj yuav yog le yawd has hab nawb...

Zhen, koj tug kws research txaus lawd ho pum le caag?

Ua tsaug....

ms

Generally it is good comment. One thing, though, Mong come from Hmong
or Hmong come from Mong is still in question. Who came from who is not
important what is important is we al are one.

On Aug 27, 6:47 pm, Moobsib gmail.com> wrote:

Zoo..

koj laug le kod es koj tseem has le kod? man....sometimes i
wonder...you don't know what came from what? Koj puas paub caag yuav
nyuaj kuv sab ua luaj (as a mong on other fellow mong) txug koj? vim
tas feem ntau moob tseem tsi paub tas what caem from what le koj has..

thov txim nawb..vim nub nua, koj has lug txawv heev.

yaweh

YTMS,

nyob zoo. YPX took a western linguistic (it seemed) approach to argue
that hmong leng came from hmong der. it is intriguing to say the
least. but i think there are holes and contradictions with the
practice of hmong culture/beliefs. since i have not studied from that
aspect, let me just leave it at that.

tiam si, raws li kuv paub thiab hnov hnov kuv txiv kuv yawg peb kwv
tij xeem vaj tham, "pug thaum, 9 haiv hmoob, 10 haiv hmoob, los yog
tag nrho hmoob lees." what does this mean? that means, that in the
beginning, it is highly likely that everyone was hmoob lees.

like i have said, the words lees and dawb comes from siv yis rooj 4
nrog nws tug npawg sub tuam. thaum siv yis rov qab los noog nws cov
kwv tij kom lawv pab nws, ib co tsis pab. cov tsis pab hais rau siv
yis, "koj twb yog tus ntse, peb yuav ua li cas pab koj?" ib co ho lees
pab. cov tsis pab ces txawm yog "hmoob dawb" vim lawv dawb hu rooj 4
no. cov kwv tij pab txawm yog "hmoob lees" vim lawv lees siv yis rooj
4 no.

yaweh,

yog tsis muaj leej twg kam hais, kuv mam li hais, it is very likely
and consistent with hmong culture/arts/language/beliefs that all hmong
were at one point early in history hmong leng. cia kuv ntxiv, peb
hmoob tag nrhov yog av puab xwb, peb txhob xav tias peb ib pab twg ib
pawg twg nyob siab dua lwm pab lwm pawg.

On Aug 27, 11:59 pm, tsujsuadl...@hotmail.com wrote:

On Aug 27, 8:47 pm, Moobsib gmail.com> wrote:

Ywjpheej tseem hais rau hnub 28 8 hli no tias kom cov mus tim ub los
kom yuav niam lyau os tau, thiab tham lausnkauj thiab hluasnkauj los
tau no, nws twb yuamkev rau lub tebchaws no thiab yuamkev tau cov
Ntseeg txojkev ntsaw lawm, nej cov me tub thiab me ntxhais xav seb
yog licas ????????

Zhen,

Ua tsaug rua koj cov lug. Yog muab soj saib raws le cov laug kws txawj
txujci Hmoob has ces peb Hmoob txhua hom yeej yog ncau ntawm Moob Leeg
lug. Qhov Ywjpheej has "Lan Miao"? es ca le hloov lug ua Moob Leeg
ntawd los kuj has tsi tau. Txawm le ntawd los haiv Hmoob feem coob
yeej yuav tsum yog ncau ib lub hauv paug lug xwb.

Koj zaaj lugnruag/dabneeg Siv Yig hab Suab Tuam rooj plaub yog ib qho
tim khawv keebkwm Hmoob kws, tej zag, laug tshaaj plawg huv peb Hmoob
lub neej. Tawm sis yaav thaus kuv tseem yau kuv kuj tau nov cov laug
has txug lawm hab mas ho tsi nov puab has txug qhov issue "Leeg" hab
"Dlawb huv" nuav. Tej zag kuj yuav yog vim tug kws has ntawd tsi paub
txhij los kuj muaj.

Ua tsaug ntau,

MS

ms

that's right. ntau ntau yam txuj ci hmoob yeej pib ntawm lus hmoob
lees li koj hais. qhov no, hu ua hmoob tag nrhov paub. i wonder why
YPX overlooked this basic but important point in consideration of his
analysis?

kuv kuj tsis tau hnov txog "lan miao" thiab. kuv hnov txog "qing
miao". lan = blue, tiam si, qing = blue/green. qing ces zoo li hmoob
lo lus "nstuab xiab". qhov kuv xav tej zaum nws kwv yees hais xwb. i
have my reasons to say this.

Hmoob Lees + Hmoob Dawb = Hmoob
Hmoob Dawb + Hmoob Less = Hmoob

Yog tsis lees paub li no, no ces lwm zaus sib ntsib no ces txhob hais
tias kuv yog Hmoob no nawb. Yuav tsum hais tias kuv yog Hmoob Lees
los Hmoob Dawb vim nkawv yog ob HAIV neeg.

Hos ntawm kuv ces yog li no:

Hmoob Lees + Hmoob Dawb = Hmoob ==== Kuv
Hmoob Dawb + Hmoob Less = Hmoob ==== Kuv

Txawjvmayias

Zhen,

kuv yeej ib txwm ntseeg hmoob dabneeg, not word for word, but the idea
seems to be "logical" in a way. the notion of hmoob lees is closer to
chinese...and that moob lees may be from moob dawb is something very
very new to me, and i dont' buy it...simply because all hmong elders,
green, back, and white, do agree that hmong dawb is from hmong lees.
the more interesting fact is that it is the hmong dawb who "freely"
said that "yes, we came from hmong lees"....i didn't listen to YPX's
words, so kuv kuj tsi paub his reasoning for saying such a thing, but
it is very likely that his conclusions are based on chinese
books...but do know that the "victor's words" are always off from the
"truth" in some ways...and to based something on a false premise is
not a good thing to do.

as for sub tuam and siv yig...yes, you are right on the dot. this
story is probably one of the most important story to any hmong..and
all should know this story. since cov "dawb huv" tsi kam los leeg...