On Aug 18, 9:21Â pm, zhen
googlemail.com> wrote:>> Kuv tsi yog lug nrhav lug has phem rua koj hab ab lam koj tabsi koj
>> nrov moog twm koj cov lug kws koj has rua vaajmoob hab Moobsib xwb.
>
> koj tsis xav nrhiav, tiam si koj yeej nrhiav tiag tiag neb yom. ua li
> kuv hais, koj hais dab tsi, hais kom ncaj. koj kuj mus nyeem koj tsu
> me vaajmoob thiab MS cov lus rau kuv xwb. be fair, be neutral es zoo
> li koj hais no xwb ntag?
>
>> Peb suavdlawg tsi yog miv nyuam yau es koj tseem yuav noog kuv tas
>> puas muaj tseeb.
>
> koj tsis yog me nyaum koj thiaj li hais ib mong power sab xwb ne. kuv
> paub tseeb tias cov mong power tsis yog me nyuam yaus, kuv thiaj tsis
> txaus siab rau nej cov neeg laus neeg ntse no tias, "vim li cas nej
> thiaj li xav tias, mong is not hmong" no naj. kuv thov koj pab qhia
> kuv seb yom?
>
>> Lu lug Hmong hab Mong yog lug ntawd lub suab xwb, pronumciation, vim
>> peb tsi txawj sib has, yuav kom hum koj sab xwb los tsi tau, hum kuv
>
> seems like you're saying "hmong" yog hais li hmoob dawb lub siab
> nyiam, and "mong" yog hais li hmoob lees lub siab nyiam. that's where
> you're WRONG. "hmong" no yog hais txog tag nrho hmoob lees hmoob dawb
> hmoob ntsuab hmoob dub etc.. etc... hmong is not raws li hmoob lub
> siab nyiam. that is your EXCUSE to create "mong" and a strawman
> argument.
>
> let me ask the mong power, if mong = hmong as some of you have REVISED
> your stance, why do we need another term to confuse people and
> ourselves who we are?
>
> now, it can only be hmong = mong, or hmong != mong. which do you take?
> if hmong = mong, then there is no need for any additional term to
> confuse our identity and endonym. if hmong != mong as claimed by dr
> pao ze thao and many mong power, then, don't be so cowardly and make
> your separatist substantiations.
>
>> sab xwb los tsi tau. Tsi muaj ib tug Moob ua taug peb Moob nam peb
>> Moob txiv kws yuav lug has kom nwg moog rua txuj kev caaj ceeg,
>> neutral, yog le peb miv nyua Moob txhaj naj nub tuaj sib caav sib tshe
>> le cov lab sib cauj sib tu nyob tom haav ntoo.
>
> koj twb hais tais nej tsis yog "me nyuam" no neb? ua li cas tam sim no
> koj hais ho hais, "yog le peb miv nyau moob..." ? i'll be very glad to
> discuss/debate this issue constructively with anyone.
>
>> Kuv tsi tau muab issue Moob Dlawb hab Moob Leeg lug sib caav tabsi kuv
>> has tas koj thuam Moob Leeg yaam yuav tsi tau. Koj cov lug tseem nyob
>> rua huv lub SCH nuav tsi pluj txug lub caij lub nyoog has maam print
>> qaa tuaj rua koj saib xwb.
>
> koj hais yog kawg los mos! nej cov mong power tej lus los kuj nyob
> rawv hauv SCH no thiab. cov cem cem kuv los SCH yeej kaw tau. cov tsis
> xav lees lub npe hmoob no los tseem nyob rawv.
>
> yog koj muaj lub peev xwm hais kom muaj chaw txawb chaw rau, yij meem
> print kom tag kuv cov lus koj tsis txaus siab. kuv lav loo rau koj
> tias, muaj pes tsawg lo 8 lo 6 kuv hais los twb muaj npaum li ntawv lo
> 8 lo 6 cov mong power tuaj hais thiab. tsis tag li, tseem muaj tej yam
> issue xws li dr pao ze thoj tej lus kuv thuam kiag los nej cov mong
> power yeej tsis tuaj lav tham kiag li---xyov yog vim li cas tiag.
>
> figuratively speaking, who drew first blood?
>
> always here and glad to welcome you to discuss this issue. bring your
> finest. but don't cry when you resort to vulgarity and what not and
> then get beaten at your own dirty game. tham kom ncaj kuj tau, tham
> kom lem kuj tau tib si. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt that
> you want a constructive, productive discussion. but, if rhaub qub zaub
> is your aim, think about it some more before you start something
> you'll only cry and complain about later.
zhen,
Kuv tsi yog has le mong power sab xaav, kuv tsi paub mong power yog
leej twg. Tabsi kuv lub topic tag-g mas yog vim le caag es thaum luag
lwm haiv nrug peb Moob sib caav mas peb Moob tsi nrug luag sib caav
tabsi thaum kawg yog Moob rov sib caav hab siv personal attack lawm
xwb. Tej yaam zoo le nuav koj xaav tas puas zoo mas.
Koj yuav debated nrug vaajmoob hab Moobsib koj has tau 2 tug lub nick
tabsi koj muab Moob Leeg ti npe nyaam tsi zoo. Tej yaam zoo le nuav
kuv xaav tas yug yog ib tug tub txawm ntxhais ntse tsi appropriate
lawm nawb.
Downunder,
I agree with you.
Moobsib,
Nyob le ntawd Vientiane was floodding issue,koj los kuv yuav tau ib
yuas warning yawm kom more appropriate vim yog natural disaster and
cannot prevent. We should act more to the professional people.
YOg leej twg laam has tsi zoo rua peb Moob with intentionally peb yuav
tau sib paab hab tsi yog thaum kawg ces peb lug sib argument with
personnal attack. This image of action is so bad.
dony,
I agree with you more than 100%%.
Ted,
Hmong like " argument ". We can have any argument but not attack each
other personnally when we debate with other race because they will
look us like the HYENA in Africa.
B2BH,
Your argument and debate is more to the professional, no problema.
Tseemyeej,
I just say Hi to you. I count you as a big brother even we never talk
or meet in person.
Thank you very much for everyone's inputs. Debate and argument are
very important step to improve our knowledge but please do not nail
each other to the personnal side in front of the other HAIV.
Thank you and see everyone later.
MT
