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Mej ho xaav le caag? Pum le caag...?         


Author: tsujsuadluag
Date: Sep 15, 2008 10:16

Please read everything...before you jump up and down....and lets talk
about the issue and only the issue (and not the people involved). Kuv
xaav kuas cov "laug zog" lug teb hab thaam.

This past weekend, I went to a hmong wedding. Because nam txiv ntaus
3 tug nco, nam txiv xaav tau ib tug kaav xim lug leg lub rooj. I went
there only to eat, temsis thaum moog txug lawm, puab ho nteg kuv lug
ua kaav xwm ua xeej caw rua puab haus. Tug mejkoob los kuj yog cov
kwvtij moob dlawb, tug vauv los kuj yog cov kwvtij moob dlawb.
everything went smoothly, until kuv ua xeej caw "suav yaig." thaum
txug caij "rhu" qab nplaig, tes tug mejkoob txawm ca li nyob tuab ywv,
tsi ua zaaj (it seemed to me like tug mejkoob tsi paub ua zaaj twg
lawm).

Tug txummej los tsi ua zaaj le hab (nwg tsi qha tug mejkoob...and tug
mejkoob los tsi nug/tsi has dlaabtsi le hab...which is a typical thing
in some weddings...), and i thought to myself..."maybe mejkoob tsi
paub tag"....so i said onto the mejkoob "mejkoob...koj rhu hlo nplaig
es kuv mam li lug saib xwb mas"...
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Re: Mej ho xaav le caag? Pum le caag...?         


Author: moobntsuab
Date: Sep 15, 2008 10:36

Tijlaug yaweh,

Thov txwm yuav tsw teb koj cov lug. Kuas kuv txeev pum muaj ib cov
ntseeg ntuj puab ua tshoobkug tsi raws le peb Moob kaablig kevcai.
Kuv tau moog koom cov ntseeg CMA ntau rooj tshoob. Thaum puab tuaj ua
tshoob mas puab yeej tsi ua raws le kev cai Moob lawm. Kaus los tsw
coj. Pe los tub tsw pub pe. Puab coj Xibfwb tuaj ces nug tub nug
ntxhais taag yog sibyeem xwb ces taag le ntawm. Thaum muab tshoob
taag los puab yeej tsi muaj qhov yuav lug txais tshoob le. Tsuas thaam
nqe mig nqe no mivntswv xwb ces xaus rua tug npua luam xwm xwb ces
taag le hov... Vim suavdlawg muab coj txawj dlhau kev ua tshoob ua kug
txhaj tsw moog raws le koj has.

Kuv xaav tas yaav tom ntej ntshai tub yuav tsw swv mejkoob lawm thab.
Nwg nuav cov ntseeg ntuj tuaj ua tshoob yeej tsw pum nam pum txwv le
lawm les es... Ntshai yaav tom ntej Xibfwb kev txwvlaug tom church
yuav yog ua nam ua txwv rua rooj tshoob lawm xwb lauv.

Moobntsuab.

On Sep 15, 10:16 am, tsujsuadl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Please read everything...before you jump up and down....and lets talk
> about the issue and only the issue (and not the people involved).  Kuv
> xaav...
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Re: Mej ho xaav le caag? Pum le caag...?         


Author: vimhlub
Date: Sep 15, 2008 10:40

Kuv tsis yog ib tug laus, tabsis yog yuav hais txog kev txhaum, kuv
kuj paub thiab.

Kuv xav tias nyob rau kev tshoob kos, tus mejkoob yog tus "mediator"
xwb. Tseeb tiag ces nej ib leeg kuj txhaum me ntsis.

1. Yog tus mej koob tsis paub txog txheej txheem tshoob kos, nws tsis
tsim nyog lees tuaj ua mejkoob. Yog nws lees lawm ces nws yuav tsus
ua kom txog qhov kawg. Hais tsis tau los yuav tsus haus kom dhau.
Yog hais los tsis hais, haus los tsis haus, tsis tas yuav mus tab kaum
luag tus uas thov nws ntawd.

2. Tog tub tsis tsim nyog mus thov tej tug zoo li ntawd ua mej koob.
Twb tsis paub luag tseeb (koj hais tias lawv twb tsis paub nws xeem),
xyov luag puas yuav "ua kom tau noj" los txawm siv mus tso siab rau
luag. Qhov nod yog qhov tog tug yuam kev.
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Author: kwvtij
Date: Sep 15, 2008 10:50

tsujsuadl-- kuv niag lam laus dawb xwb, kuj tsis txawj ua mej koob
thiab kuv ho yog hmoob dawb lawm. kuj tsis paub nej cov tshoob hmoob
leeg zoo thiab. tab sis raws li kuv pom 2, 3 rooj tshoob hmoob leeg
los mas tog ntxhais ces tus "kav xwm" ces yeej yog tus mej koob kiag
lawm ntag thiab nej yeej tsuas muaj 1 tug mej koob xwb, tsis muaj tus
lwm mej koob li ne. ho tag tub los yeej tsuas muaj 1 tug mej koob
nrog rau tus tub ev nra thiab xwb, yeej tsis muaj tus lwm mej koob li
thiab. kuv tsis to taub hais tias ua cas koj mus koom noj lawv rooj
tshoob xwb, tab sis ua cas lawv tseem ho thov kom koj los ua lawv tus
"kav xwm" thiab no. tiag tiag mas tus kav xwm ces twb yog lawv tus
mej koob lawm thiab lawv twb yeej thov 1, 2 week ua ntej lawm thiab
nws twb yog tus tuaj txuas tshoob lus kos puag...
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Author: tsujsuadluag
Date: Sep 15, 2008 11:07

kwv,

tus kav xim lub luag haujlwm ces yog tus txhiaj com lub (zoo li nej hu
li ntawd sub)...kavxim yog tus tuaj ua cov xeej caw rau tibneej
haus...thiab tuaj saib lub rooj tshoob....yog tias tsi muaj kavxim
ces, 4 tus mejkoob (or two) yog cov uas los nyob pem hauv paus rooj
chiv caw. temsis yog tias muaj "yaj nco" lawm, ces hmoob lees usually
muaj kav xim.

mej koob nws muaj nws. tus mej koob hauv tsev hu ua txum mej, tus
tuaj tom vauv tuaj hu ua tuam mej. tus kavxwm/txhiaj com yog tus tuaj
saib tshoob kos (similar li kav xwm tuag...mus saib lub nteeg...in
charge of the funeral)...txawm tias 2 tus, 4 tus mejkoob los...lawd
tuaj hais tshoob hais kos xwb. tus kavxim mas yog tus tuaj saib kev
noj hauv txhua yam...
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Author: YOB
Date: Sep 15, 2008 11:08

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Author: Tzianeng Vang
Date: Sep 15, 2008 13:06

tsujsuadl...& ib tsoom npoj yaig,

Qhov tseeb ces tsis muaj leej twg txhaum li yeeb vim peb Hmoob (Moob
hab Hmoob) li kab li kev cai yeej tsis tau muab zwm ua ke coj los qhia
koj sawv daws kom ntxaws kom npliag (no standards); tab txawm Hmoob
dawb xwb los yeej tseem ua txhaum txhua, txhua hnub...qhov no yog ib
lo kuv txiv hais qhia kuv; nws yeej fi xov ua meej koob los tau 40
xyoo lawm los yeej tseem mag nplua txhua, txhua lub sij hawm li; qhov
muaj vim peb kab li kev cai nyob tsis muaj tse nrog tau tsis muaj kws
sib thooj; kuv coj li paub xam txog xwb (mostly personal observation/
consideration).

Kev txhaum thiab raug txim mas yog yuav tau muab teev tag lawm es leej
twg tseem txiav txim hla dhau lawm thiab mas thiaj yuav txhaum. Thaum
zoo li no lawm peb thiaj li pom txoj kev sib thooj (standard).
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Author: Born2beHmong
Date: Sep 15, 2008 13:29

yawm tsuj aws...

tej tug mejkoob hod ces lub nam taubhaus miv ib yam li peb cov nam
tuaj tuaj hauv SCH nuav maas...koj txawm yuav qha hab cob npaum le
caag los, nws yeej ua nws zaaj hab nws txuj kev xaav xwb--cuag le, koj
tseem tubqaug nws hab. tsi tag le hod xwb, cov tuab neeg zoo le nuav
muab coob kawg kag le lawm nawb, txij le thaum peb tuaj nyob rau lub
teb chaw Ameska nuav lug.

kev kawm txawj kawm ntse--kev yeejpheej, hab ib tug tuab neeg tsi muaj
common senses and principle le...es lam tau lam ua le mhoob hab moob
txhua tus ua xwb ces zoo le nuav mab.

tsi tag tham le os, tej neeg ruamqauj le nuav, koj yuav caab caab lub
nam taubntsw ntluag kag lug tsi nkagsab hab paubtab le os.

Born
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Re: Mej ho xaav le caag? Pum le caag...?         


Author: tsujsuadluag
Date: Sep 15, 2008 13:41

kwv..

koj xij tas koj tsi paub qhov tseeb tes koj yuav teb tsi tau, even
though kuv tub qha qhov tseeb ru akoj lawm...vim li nuav , kuv txhaj
nug kag koj tias yo gkuv yuog mejkoob and koj yog tug coj tshoob...
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Author: tsujsuadluag
Date: Sep 15, 2008 13:51

TV..

yeej yog li koj hais....peb yog moob tibyam..temsis ib leeg ua txawv
ib qho...vim li no, ua li kuv hais rau vimhlub sub, cov laus thiaj
tsim tau ib cov niag lus tshoob kos tias (for hmong weddings only)/.

1. tsi yog tuaj sim zeb sim taws
2. tuaj xeeb neej xeeb tsav tiag tiag
3. muaj yeej cuab swb cuab...or muaj lau muaj maum...meaning ib tus
ua, ib tus caum kom rooj tshoob mus taus xwb....

le kuv pom mas...yog ua tau vauv ua tau 3 qhov no lawm mas.....yeej
tsi muaj teebmeem li....for me, what tus mejkoob ua mas...nws tsi nav
thwm 3 npe lus no li lawm....vim li cas kuv hais li no? txawm yog tib
co moob ib tebchaw xw blos...ib leeg tseem ua ib qho thiab....vim li
no, tus txum mej (when necesarry) yauv tau coj tus sad nraud tiag tiag
li...tus sad nraud yuav tsum yooog tus hauv tsev (or the bride's
fmaily) tiag tiag li.
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