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Lo lus "coj dab" thiab "lawb dab"         


Author: vimhlub
Date: Aug 22, 2008 10:44

Hais txog 2 lo lus "coj dab" thiab "lawb dab" mas, peb yuav tau tsis
txhob siv lawm vim tias 2 lo lus ntawd yog lus limhiam uas luag muab
los rhuav tshem peb Hmoob.

Hmoob los lus tias "coj dab" no mas yog ib lo lus tsiv mloog kawg li.
Raws li kuv xav mas los lus "coj dab" thiab "lawb dab" no yog cov txiv
plig muab liam rau Hmoob xwb. Hmoob yeej tsis muaj qhov concept tias
coj kev cai Hmoob ces yog "coj dab" hos coj kev cai Bible ces yog
"lawb dab" no ib zaug. Cov txiv plig muab liam rau Hmoob es Hmoob
tsis nco ras ces Hmoob cia li khaws siv tej niag lus tsiv tsaim ntawd
los lawm xwb.

Nej sim ua zoo saib seb los lus "Christian" los yog "Catholic" no puas
txhais hais tias "lawb dab" no? Kuv xav mas cov txiv plig uas qhia
rau Hmoob tias coj kev cai "Christian/Catholic" los yog Bible ces yog
"lawb dab" hos coj kevcai raws li Hmoob ntseeg ces yog "coj dab" no
yog ib cov txiv plig ua limhiam tshaj plaws li.

Hmong needs to define what Hmong beliefs are and reject foreigners'
vicious interpretation of what Hmong beliefs are.
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Re: Lo lus "coj dab" thiab "lawb dab"         


Author: tsujsuadluag
Date: Aug 22, 2008 11:09

los lus coj dab mas hais thwj lawm mas....based on the meaning of what
"dab" is ces yeej thwj lawm..temsis los lus laub dab no ces...xu luj
ntuj li os...

hais tias lawb lawb no...temsis hajyam teev dab loj tshaj thiab...qhov
no yog a big contradiction lawm.

yaweh
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Re: Lo lus "coj dab" thiab "lawb dab"         


Author: YT
Date: Aug 22, 2008 11:18

Vimhlub,

Kuv los yeej ntsheeg tib yam li koj hais thiab. Yog li thaum twg leej
twg hais txog coj dab thiab lawb dab no mas xob-b kuv plaub hau kawg
li. Kuv tsis tau pom tias mus church es yog lawb dab tiam sis yog coj
lwm haiv neeg dab xwb vim cov kev cai peb teev no kuv twb tsis tau pom
peb teev ib tug uas tseem ua neeg ciaj nyob.

We should redefine the term and use it appropriately else coj dab
thiab lawb dab will put us into division. What you stated about the
txivplig and pastor used such term was correct. It is to their best
interest, not the Hmong.

YT
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Re: Lo lus "coj dab" thiab "lawb dab"         


Author: phwvnyawm
Date: Aug 22, 2008 13:17

Vimhlub,

Ua tsaug koj muab 2 los lus coj dab thiab lawb dab coj los tham. Yeej
yog li koj hais lawm nawb.....2 los lus no zoo yus hais tsiv-v luag
mloog tiag. Tsi thas nej cov tsis tau los coj kev ntseeg hais cov...
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Re: Lo lus "coj dab" thiab "lawb dab"         


Author: hnubkaj
Date: Aug 22, 2008 13:29

Nej hais li es kuv saib sawvdaws twb yeej siv lo lus tias "peb coj dab
coj qhua" no ned puas yog? Dhau ntawd tseem muaj: laig dab niam dab
txiv, dab poj dab yawm etc. thiab ned? No tsis yog tshum nawb, tsis
paub thiaj nug os mog.

HK
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Re: Lo lus "coj dab" thiab "lawb dab"         


Author: tsujsuadluag
Date: Aug 22, 2008 13:40

peb yeej tseem siv mas.....temsis i dont' think the problem is when
one say it regarding oneself..the problem is when others are labeling
hmong for "coj dab" as in satan...

tsi tag li, cov uas hais tias "peb lawb dab" lawm no los...yuam kev
kawm thiab...vim tias (ACCORDING TO A HMONG), there is no such thing,
vim lawd tseem teev dab yesus ne..

there is a problem when one tries to understand something else using
one's own "set of beliefs"....

yaweh
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Re: Lo lus "coj dab" thiab "lawb dab"         


Author: tzexalee
Date: Aug 22, 2008 13:49

On 22 Aug, 13:17, phwvnyawm yahoo.com> wrote:
> Vimhlub,
>
> Ua tsaug koj muab 2 los lus coj dab thiab lawb dab coj los tham. Yeej
> yog li koj hais lawm nawb.....2 los lus no zoo yus hais tsiv-v luag
> mloog tiag. Tsi thas nej cov tsis tau los coj kev ntseeg hais cov txiv
> plig, peb cov mus coj kev ntseeg Catholic yeej muaj tus hais rau cov
> txiv plig tias thaum lub caij lawv tuaj tshiab tuaj qhia kev ntseeg
> lawv qhia muaj tej yam qhia tsis yog lawm.....vim lawv tsis to taub
> lus hmoob zoo.Kuv kiag kuv twb hais rau 1 tug txiv plig Fab kis thiab
> 1 tug txiv plig Italy tias nej tuaj muab peb hmoob tej kev li kev cai
> lawb lawm ntau yam......tej yam tsis txhaum kev ntseeg los nej muab
> lawb tib si.....nej lawb neej lawb dab......kuv tham rau kuv tias
> thaum xyoo 1962-63 peb muaj ib tug txiv ntxawm nyob hauv peb lub zos
> txawj-j qeej.....ces nws txawm mus lawb dab coj kev ntseeg.......tsis
> ntev ces yawg cov neeg tsa ib tug laus neeg tuag ces ....aub...cov
> txawj-j qeej muaj tsawg......ces lawv thiaj tuaj thov lawv tus vauv
> peb tus txiv ntawm no mus ua txiv qeej..... tshuab-b thawj-j zag no
> los mas......yawg yig-g tsis dhau ces ua ib siab mus ua.......thaum
> cov txiv plig thiab cov XF paub ces twb yog hnub 2 lawm.Lawv cia li ...
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Re: Lo lus "coj dab" thiab "lawb dab"         


Author: vimhlub
Date: Aug 22, 2008 15:22

Tus muam Hnub es,

Los lus "peb coj dab coj qhua" no ces yeej hnov muaj tus tau hais lawm
tiag tabsis yog tus tsis paub tiag es tiag li hais lawm xwb. Hmoob
los lus "dab" raws li siv ntawd mas yog ib qhov very loose term. Luag
hais luag tsev tibneeg uas tuag lawm xwb. Hmoob los lus "dab" no mas
txhais tau ua 2 yam raws li:

1. Yog yus tsev tib neeg uas tau tuag lawm.
2. Yog tej niaj ntsuj lim hiam xws li "monsters, demons, vampires,
zombies, etc."

Thaum cov Hmoob coj kevcai tshiab hais tias "peb lawb dab hos nej coj
dab" no ces nws connotes that they are clean and you worship the
devil. Qhov no yog qhov tsis tsim nyog siv. Tej zaum lawm tsis
"mean" li ntawd tabsis nws "sound/suggest" li ntawd. At least, that's
how they were taught to understand it by the Church. Tseeb tiag ces
cov "lawb dab" teev hawm Yexus hos cov teev haum poj koob yawm txwv
yeej tsis yog teev dab (devil, demons, monsters, etc.) Yog li, Hmoob
thiaj li hais tias, "zoo hais los tsis zoo mloog". Yog li, yuav kom
muaj kev sib to taub thiab haum xeeb mus lawm yav tom ntej ces yuav
tau tsum siv cov lus zoo coj los hais.
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Re: Lo lus "coj dab" thiab "lawb dab"         


Author: LOMTED
Date: Aug 22, 2008 16:03

Cia kuv sim teb,

Coj dab: los no yuav muab txhai ib los rau ib los kuv xav thiab yuav
yog li no.

Coj - (to, lead, to bring or to take along with ) source: www.hmongdictionary.com
Dab - (mostly refer the human being that had pass away) (neeg tuag) -
opposite of (neeg ciaj).
Although, a few individual like to make their case about this term and
it associate meaning to support their own argument.

When put the two words together:
Coj dab, I believe one of the many meaning is a believe that still
respect, honor and taking care of the unfortunate one that has been
passing away. (I think is as simple as that)

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Lawb Dab: I think you're all know what it mean.
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Re: Lo lus "coj dab" thiab "lawb dab"         


Author: vimhlub
Date: Aug 22, 2008 16:17

LOMTED,

Yog li koj hais lawm tabsis coob leej ntau tus tsis to taub li koj to
taub. Ntev mus ces ntshe haj yam yuav tsis muaj cov to taub since our
future generations are being educated by a Christian culture. Yog li,
peb yuav tau take responsibility to neutralize/clarify these terms for
present and future usage. Raws li kuv xav, peb yuav tau hloov 2 lo
lus nod. Raws li 2-3 tug twb tau suggest lawm.

1. Coj Hmoob Kevcai/Qub kevca
-- tsis txhob hais tias "coj dab".
2. Coj Kevcai Tshiab/Ntseeg Vaj Tswv -- tsis txhob hais tias "lawb
dab"

The suggested terms are more accurate and neutral.
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