Nej sawvdaws pab tawm tswv yim saib txog thaum zoo li no lawm yuav ua
cas thiaj siv tau kev cai Hmoob los tswj tau sawvdaws nyob tim
Masliskas no. Yog kev cai Hmoob tsis work lawm no, nej xav hais tias
txoj kev tshiab zoo li cas thiaj yuav take care tau cov pojniam tsis
muaj tug zoo li no:

1. Tus pojniam tuag thawj tug txiv, nws yuav txiv thib 2, tus txiv 2
nrauj nws, nws yuav tus 3 ua niam yau xwb (tsis legal), tus 3 tuag ua
nws ntej.

2. Nws muaj ib tug ntxhais (45 xyoos) from 1st marriage es twb yeej
ua neej laus lawm thiab tiam sis nyob tim Laos.

3. Thaum nws tus txiv 3 tuag tas ces yawm no cov menyuam tsis yuav
nws lawm thiab. Tus pojniam no lives alone in a high tise with many
social services so she does not need anyone to help her out. She had
a stroke and was in a nursing home for 2 years before she died.

4. The nursing home contacted her 3rd husband's children because they
are the only people listed in her file. These people don't want to
take care of the funeral so they told the nursing home to contact her
clan leaders.

On Apr 10, 1:25 pm, hnub...@gmail.com wrote:

i believe there was a case in the twin cities that had similarity to
this case. the deceased person only had one sister, and a brother
that lived in wisconsin. since the wife and he was divorced and the
brother in wisconsin does not want to take the responsibility of his
funeral. the hospital had no one to be contacted, and they were
waiting to burn the body of this man. Laos family and the clans were
going out to ask all the business men/women for donation and helped
out the funeral cost. i believe the funeral service only take one
night on sunday night and buried on monday. hmong business and non-
profit organizations were single handedly made sure that his body had
a casket and buried accordingly as a hmong person...i heard that
social service paid for half of the cost of the casket...

Cov npoj yaig kwv luag,

Funeral service and expenses are concerns of all, but the even more
complicated issue is her/his spirit is...where would her spirit/soul
be sent to? Ua cas peb Hmoob dab qhuas yuav coj nqaim ua luaj rau peb
cov niam/muam/ntxhais? Teb chaw no es lub tsev twb yog tus ntxhais
yuav tiam sis niam/txiv nyob lawm ces nws twb yug tsis tau me nyuam
thiab tuag tsis tau hauv nws lub tsev lawm thiab...

On Apr 10, 3:25 pm, hnub...@gmail.com wrote:

hnub es, koj sau ntau hwj kuv tsi twg tabsi kuv volunteer lug paag cov
pum ntsauj puj ntsuag kws 20-35 xyoo hab zoo nkauj tsi hlub og,
vmged
On Apr 10, 3:25 pm, hnub...@gmail.com wrote:

Tzianeng,

these two cases happened in MN:

case 1, she was a church goer, and they were only do her funeral
service 4 hours....and buried her body.

case 2, no one claimed his body, and the community came together and
do his funeral service for a night...and then buried his body the next
day.

in my opinion, Hnub and you should sit and talk, it would be good for
the people of church goers to do a deed on this. they should go out
and recruit all these so call as Hnub had stated, to go to church.
therefore at the end of the day, church can help out them. and their
spirits/souls can go to heaven freely with Jusus. since our
traditional and cultural won't allow this type of people to associate
with our own ancestors...and/or disgrace to our ancestors....LOL!

don't be mad at me, because i'm a straigth forward person and say as
is.

Born2beMhong

Raws li peb Hmoob kev cai ces tus txiv thib 3 cov tubki yuav tsum tau
los tha tug pog no. Yog lawv twb yuav tau mus ua lawv neeg, coj lawv
dab qhuas tas lawm yog lawv tseem tsi kam tha thiab ces luaj xov xuas
noob ntag hos. Cov luag ntxhais mus pw tas tseem tsi lav ces yog nyob
nplog teb ces tau haus kua lwj ntag nawb.

Es tus pog laus ntawm txawm tsi muaj ib tug kwvtij li los cas? Hmoob
cov niag clan leaders los quav dev tshaj thiab nav. Twb txiav txim tsi
tau dev niag qau rau leej twg siv li ne. Tab zoo li ntawm los tseem
hniaj hnub kav txiv tias nim tau lisence los hais hmoob li plaub no
thiab laiv.

K

On Apr 10, 1:25 pm, hnub...@gmail.com wrote:

Vaajmoob,
Txaus siab hais tias koj yuav pab take care cov poj nrauj poj ntsuam
lub ntees yog lawv muaj 20-35 xyoos. Tab txawm tuag lawm los sawvdaws
yeej tseem zoo nkauj kawg thiab los mas vim cov morticians txawj kho
thiab pleev phlu rau cov tuag heev.

Thov koj qhia koj contact info es xwv thiaj paub tiv toj koj thaum peb
muaj ib tug poj nrauj poj ntsuam tuag es tsis muaj neeg lav paub. Tej
zaum koj yuav tau set up ib lub foundation los puas non-profit
organization es koj thiaj li yuav tau tax break pob? Yog koj need help
setting up such an organization, let me know.

Hnub Kaj

Born,
Yog tus txiv neej ces sawvdaws cov kwv tij sib pab li koj hais tiag
los mas tiam sis yog tus poj nrauj/ntsuam ces sawvdaws tso tes tag.
Thaum kawg ces yuav poob rov rau neej tsa xwb vim yog lawv roj lawv
ntshav tiag tiag nev puas yog?

The BIG question is if we can not rely on Hmong tradition/cultural
practice when we need it the most, then why practice and preserve it?
Tsis hais lawb dab los coj kev cai qub, sawvdaws yeej tseem muaj qhov
tsis xav lav paub cov poj nrauj/ntsuam li vim peb Hmoob yeej tseem
saib tsis taus pojniam hais tias yog neeg thiab muaj nqi. Tus muaj nqi
me ntsis ces yog tus tseem muaj txiv los puas tuas "MASTER". Another
word, woman is nothing unless she belongs to a man whether it's her
husband or her son. Do you agree?

Beemoua/ Tzianeng,
Amen to that. We are so hypocritical. Again, woman is nothing in life
and nothing in dab teb other than to serve everyone again in her after
life until eternity...what a wonderful prospect for women. No wonder,
Christianity is becoming a trend for Hmong women - the Christian
religion offers eternity without misery for ALL after death.

Hnub,

vim cov pojniam hmoob no twb ua heev li heev ned, es yog thaum ua neej
nyob ua heev npaum li ntawd. yog sib nrauj tag lawm, tseem yuav kom
leej twg pam nws lub ntee thiab. yog li koj hais tiag, yog muaj...