muslosmuslos, the unity has been called for so long. each everytime
someone is calling for a unity, the idea always come like, "we must
unite, but I am the boss". see what happen? the United Hmong
International claim to be the umbrella for the hmong while World hmong
peoples congress claim to be the one. the Hmong in the jungle contact
world hmong peoples' congress for assistance, Vang Pao says he is the
one and only that the hmong jungle should listen to.
qhov teeb meem yog cov hmoob ua kas meaung no tsis yog ua los pa bhmoob
kom dim ntawm txoj kev raug tsim txom tiag na. txhua leej txhua tus
yeej paub zoo zoo hais tias cov hmoob no lam ua kom muaj teeb meem xwb.
tabsi hmoob yeej tsis los daws teeb meem li ne. cov neeg koj hais muaj
credibility no los lawv yeejt sis kam raus tes rau tej dirty politic no
nawb. kuv twb hnov neeg hais tias lawv tried to approach cov hmoob
leader xws li leepao xyooj, senator mee moua, cy thao, cov drs. tabsi
thaum yuav ua tiag tiag no ces cov no hais muab politic coj los hais
lawm ces rov daig li qub. txawm yog cov credible hmoob leaders los lawv
nyias muaj nyias vision. cov prominent hmoob leaders mas haj yam ntshai
puas lawv lub npe lawv yuav tsis kam los speak out txog hmoob tej dirty
politic no. koj sim kom ib tug cia li mus hais rau tswv Txus Tsab hais
tias, ua cas koj lam kom Lee Xwm mus npas khav pab hmoob hav zoov li
ntawd. no ces yuav tsis kam mus tiag. nws hais tias tsis yog nws lub
luag haujlwm. thaum hais tias tiag tuaj lawm ces luag hias tias tsis
yog luag li jurisdiction no tuaj lawm. luag hais tias, yog ua mus ces
haj yam yuav muaj teeb mee xwb, cia kav liam.
muaj ib co mas hais tias tus ntawd ua yog lawm nawb, peb yuav txhawb
nws. thaum tus neeg ntawd ua tiag tiag tuaj ces sau ntawv rau los tsis
teb, hu xov tooj los tsis txais. thaum zoo li no ces kawg ib tug neeg
cawm tau ib tug xwb los nws yuav tsum ua mus. dua li cov ces kawg ib
leeg pab tsis tau 10 leej lawm ne.
so, your idea of unity is great, but cannot be productive.
qhov koj hais tias hmoob call crop for each other---yog muaj cov neeg
mus tsim teeb meem es muaj tus zoo li kuv no coj cov news tuaj qhia rau
nej los nej hais tias dag, tuag xaiv, gossip xwb ces yog thaum teeb
meem loj zuj zus kawg yuav tau thov luag cov sab nraud pab laiv. thaum
luag cov sab nraud pab cces luag no yog ib cov neeg nyob qab tswj hwm
ntawm txoj cai. yog thov txog luag lawm ces luag tso rau tub ceev xwm
xwb tiag.puas yog.
mas yog li tam sim no yog TSWV TXUS TSAB lawv cov no tsis xav raug teeb
meem no ces kav tsij ua li koj hais, tso txoj kev dag tseg cheem tamsim
no tseem ntxov nawb. yog tseem tawv tiag ces thaum nplog thiab thaib
muab cov hmoob DD xa rov qab, cov ua lawv mus muab tsa nom tsa tswv
rau, thiab rau tswv yim kom lawv sawv tawm tsam nom tswv nplog yuav
raug teeb meem. leej twg yuav mus tso nov.
On Dec 19, 3:07 pm, muslos...@
yahoo.com wrote:
> Look, you all.
>
> All the while you're out breaking the fish bowl, calling the cops on
> each other, and otherwise sticking it to each other at your hearts'
> content....
>
> The sometimes rocky but natural Thai/Lao brotherhood is at work, both
> in high level joint meetings yesterday, agreeing that the "Hmong
> problem" needs to be resolved once and for all. The "illegal Hmong" in
> Thailand will be repatriated back to Laos. A perfect excuse to send ALL
> non-desireable Hmong back to where they came from. And, both agreed
> that this time, they don't want any big brothers (U.S., U.N., etc)
> watching over their denial and beating of their homeless Hmong
> hangers-on cousin-wanna-be. Zaum no, tog twg los tsi yuav peb li saib
> Hmoob puas yuav rov hlub Hmoob tiag tiag nawb.
>
> Of course, Laos is going to pretend that there is no problems in Laos
> in the first place for Hmong to fear and leave Laos for any political
> purpose. They're going to keep their lips tight and continue the lies.
>
> Thailand for its part, will have to play along and continue to deny the
> Hmong from Laos any safe haven from any real or perceived persecution.
> At the same time, they will continue to allow criminals, some among
> their own government ranks, to exploit the Hmong refugees issue for
> their political gains, as they have for so many years. They'll keep
> their borders porous and turn the blind eye on human traffickings.
> They've always enjoy the Hmong refugees to serve as the perfect buffer
> zone for their rocky relationship with their Lao brother.
>
> The Hmong, inside as well as outside of Thailand and Laos, aren't
> helping either. We're too busy pitting everything against one another
> in our petty political wrangles, the cause of which are fueled by the
> intentional warping of own history, simply because we can't seem to
> lobby ourselves and the great minds of the best people in our own
> community, for the best solution for our people, as one people.
>
> Friends, the world, and especially our Thai and Lao counterparts will
> never take us Hmong seriously if every time they turn us, all all they
> see is this mix bag of hopeless political division.
>
> Let's unite along the lines of some of our common causes, with
> reasonable respect for our clear differences, and together forge a new
> and legitimate brand of Hmongness in the world.
>
>
>
> muslos...@
yahoo.com wrote:
>> All,
>
>> First, this thing Vue talks about is not the beginning, unless he's
>> have been absent from the Hmong community in the United States for the
>> past 30 years. Ain't it right?
>
>> Second, the "perpetrators" Vue talks about don't have any need to
>> convey any messages back up the chain of command. They're doing their
>> duties just exactly as instructed. If it has worked for more than 30
>> years, chances are, it'll work for a while longer. Unless leaders like
>> Vue and Laura are brave enough to adopt bold new strategies to get at
>> the source, and not spending all their energy on the the things
>> downstream.
>
>> Third, no such cans of worms were ever closed to anyone. It's been an
>> open cesspool of worms all along. But, sure, thanks for working so hard
>> to point all these obvious things out to us, Vue. And, like I've said
>> before, many have played in this cesspool and there are literally
>> hundreds of "mini-Hmong leaders" running around, recovering. In fact,
>> this strange at first, but seemingly natural "Hmong leader" complex
>> have plagued our people for centuries (just look at all the overt
>> divisions among the Hmong leadership on the historical continuum).
>
>> Finally, the root cause for this cancerous cycle of top down
>> propagandist regime, however false, is directly linked to the very
>> nature of a kind of "authoritative" or "assumed" power structure, as
>> opposed to the "democratically derived" and therefore "legitimate"
>> mandate from a consenting citizenry. If the latter were the case, we at
>> least would have a reliable measure of accountability and transparency
>> - by electoral politics.
>
>> So, the right word to use to describe the powers you and Laura are
>> battling here, perhaps, is regime. The kind of regime that has a
>> democratic front, but fascist and dictatorial in practice. Remember,
>> this is the label the world has of places like Laos, Cuba and North
>> Korea. Is anyone surprise?
>
>> And that's exactly why anyone who raises one hair of dissent are
>> automatically branded leftist traitors. What irony, huh? All of these
>> paradoxes and ironies, also are neither new, nor "only the beginning"
>> as Vue suggested.
>
>> vue wrote:
>>> muslosmuslos,
>
>>> This is the only beginning. if the perpetrators named on the radio an
>>> on this forum don't convey the real message to their top dogs, the
>>> lions will groul and everyon Hmong persons will run away from the camp.
>>> believe me. it is time to open the can of dead and stinky worm. I has
>>> been covered for so long and it does stink. as laura told us,
>>> everywhere she goes(US DOS, UNHCR and all other NOGS), she heard of
>>> dirty talks, labeling, so on and so forth. now she sees the
>>> transparency of the trick the perpetrators play with the hmong
>>> community. I believe laura would continue unless the hmong community
>>> cooperate with the perpetrators.
>
>>> On Dec 19, 10:50 am, muslos...@
yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> Vue,
>
>>>> As I've said before, every river has a source. Every effect has a root
>>>> cause.
>
>>>> Xeng and Chu and whoever else you and Laura are able to ID and calls
>>>> the community's attention to, is helpful to some degree because yes,
>>>> they're the appointed minions, handlers, operators, surrogates,
>>>> functionaries. But, that's all they are, and everyone knows this as a
>>>> fact.
>
>>>> You're still not getting at the real principles, the maestros, the big
>>>> wheels, the top dogs, the skippers of the big ship.
>
>>>> And, nothing's gonna change unless change comes from upstairs. Of
>>>> course, that's where you guys come in and hopefully have some
>>>> influence. If you don't make any dents there or refuse to exert a new
>>>> and sound strategy, you're gonna be forever locked in a fish bowl with
>>>> these sometimes futile but definitely fatalistic operatives.
>
>>>> The fights in this fish bowl has been going on for years. Just talk to
>>>> anyone who survived it (and there's quite a few recovering souls
>>>> around, some quietly reading postings in this forum), but now would do
>>>> anything to stay clear of this subject.
>
>>>> I just hope you won't ever join this group...but at the stubborn,
>>>> bullheaded, and ostentatious rate you're going, it's likely that'll
>>>> still happen.
>
>>>> In the context of being a Hmong person in 21st century America, this is
>>>> one of the saddest realities. With all the opportunities of innovation,
>>>> wealth, freedom and endless other possibilities for our people in this
>>>> new world, yet here we are, getting our fill of such sad discourses.
>>>> These discourses are real, and they continue on at the funeral home
>>>> lounges, the clan gatherings, the organizational meetings, the church
>>>> lobbies, the family picnics, radio shows, the newspapers, and other
>>>> such grapevines as this forum.
>
>>>> Perhaps this is part of the package that comes with being Hmong, who
>>>> have always been a very politically diverse bunch. Our history is an
>>>> endless list of footnotes on this.
>
>>>> vue wrote:
>>>>> xejthim, tsis yog ntshai tab si zoo li lub topic no tsis zoo tso dag es
>>>>> kuv thiaj muab tshem tawm xwb. koj tsis pom thornspear twb cem cem peb
>>>>> hais tias yog luag muaj lub topic serious mas yuav tsum hais lus
>>>>> serious xwb no ne. ces yog kuv sau tau ib qhov joke yuam kev rau koj
>>>>> lub topic mas yuav tau muab tshem tawm mus rau lwm qhov thiaj tsis mag
>>>>> thornspear hais ntxiv. puas yog li ntawd.
>
>>>>> On Dec 19, 8:22 am, "Xejthim"
yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>>>> vue wrote:
>>>>>>>> xejthim, nom tswv txhus tsab's rank is much higher than President
>>>>>>>> George W. Bush. he claims to be the highest rank of Hmong leader who
>>>>>>>> presides all hmong over the world as the PRESIDENT of Hmong American
>>>>>>>> Mutual Assistance and President of USG, a newly form Neohom. last but
>>>>>>>> not least, he is currently presiding over three wives. who would says,
>>>>>>>> "i beat the man!" hahahavue, cas es koj muab koj daim post saum toj no deleted lawm
>>>>>> mas.....hahaha, tsis yog koj ntshai lawm lov? Koj twb yog Laura tus
>>>>>> advisor yuav tsum tawv npaum li Laura mej, yog tais caus npaum kos es
>>>>>> yuav ua li cas ua tau advisor rau Laura.
>
>>>>>> Lub koom haum USG yog dab tsi, puas yog nws stand for United States
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