The intention of this is not to bring religion debate, but just a
curiosity that the new trend involving with ua ib pluag mov uatsaug
rua ib leeg leejtwg. Correct me if I'm wrong here, in the past I've
not heard it been done hardly at all. Now all of a sudden, it seems
as though everyone is start doing it. Again, I could be totally wrong
here, but it seems that the ones who are doing it are mainly those
that claim themselves to be Christian. It is as though that they want
to pursposely make a distinction between praising someone while that
person is still alive rather than wait until s/he pass away before
doing all kinds of things just to get face. It happens frequent
enough that I'm starting to wonder whether if this event will
eventually get assimilate into our culture. Now a day you not only
see people of immediate family doing this type of meal for their
parents, but you see cousins/niece/nephews/etc. doing it for someone
they ncu nwg txajntsig. Now a day, quite a few of the older
generations (after heard of or participating in this event themselve
for someone else) starting to have a desire of someone would do such a
meal for them. Is this ua ib pluag mov uatsaug ruaqhov nwg leejtwg
hov tau hlub yug le ub hlub yug le nua thaum lub neej yaav puagthaum-u
es yug txhajle luj hlub tav hlaub tav ceg le taamsim nuav just a fad, ...

Le meskas has "twice baby, once adult" txhais has tas lub neej ncig
rovqaab lug xaus rua ntawm lub hauvpaug. Nyob rua huv lub neej tag
ces, cov laug ntawd dlhau rovqaab moog ua luaj hab ua aav xwb.

Uantej puab moog ntawd, puab rovqaab zoo le nyuas mivnyuas moglab es
leej nam hab leej txiv (cov tub hab nyaab losyog ntxahis hab vauv)
yuav tau has lug zoo kuas nplig tau puab lub sab. Yog has tas cov
mivnyuas tsi ua le ntawd (ua tsaug) le koj has ntawd ces leej nam hab
leej txiv yuav tusab heev. Thaus ntawd ces puab dlhau moog ua luaj
hab ua aav los puab yuav tseg lub nam ntsejmuag (image) kws chim chim
hab txaus-x ntshai ntawd rua cov kws tseem nyob.

Lub tswvyim tshab kws koj pum ntawd yog cov tub hab cov kiv ua puab
tsaug thaus puab tseem noj taug hab tshaw ib lu lug zoo. Yog has tas
puab tau lu lug zoo ntawd lawm, thaug puab dluatoj (tuag) puab zoo
sabquashlo moog. Puab tseg lub plhu (face) kaaj sab lug ca rua cov
tomqaab. Thaus cov mivnyuas pum tej ntawd, puab yuav zoosab hab
rausab ua lub neej kuas zoo hab xws teb xws chaw. Qhovntawd yog txuj
khoobmoob kws "ibtxha" pum. Qhov ntawd yog qhov kws lug hloov "kev
foomkom" kws cov mivnyuas thov namtxiv losyog pujyawm rua lub caij kws
moob tseem paamtuag lawv le cov kws tseem coj qub kevcai ua.

Moob loj leeb,

Ua ib pluag mov noj ua tsaug? Who give you antyhing that worth " ua
ib luag mov noj ua tsaug", there is no such thing in any ethnic
groups of people except lost Hmong christian souls. If really wanna
"Ua tsaug" , why don't you do it personally to the person who help
you? Seems to me, those folks fiv yeem YESSUS es pauj YESSUS ib luag
mov xwb..There is no such thing in a White man's religions I I have
know of!

On Jul 5, 2:49 am, Tony yahoo.com> wrote:

On Jul 5, 5:43 pm, cwjmem hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 5, 10:13 pm, listhoj1...@yahoo.com wrote:

Could this thing which would enable people who like to do things doing
more things actually becoming an expected thing to do? You brouhgt up
another interest point about the cow killing. Doesn't it seems as
though now a day it is the "thing" to do? with so many people killing
so many cows, you don't want to loose face by killing less cows.
Since so many people are doing it now, the meal thing, could it be the
same that you don't want to loose face to others by not doing the "in
thing" people are doing right now? The out thing would be just to
ignore the trend, but who would want to be an outsider ua tuabneeg lab
laam, right?

Moob Lajleeb

Moob.

i am not sure exactly what you're trying to say. i think what you're
refering to is not "ua tsaug"...rather a "meal in honor of" someone.

when moob ua tsaug, most of the time, puab pe laiv....kev ua tsaug yog
ua le nuav..txaj li yog ua tsaug....don't confuse this with ib pluag
mov "zoo sab" for someone..qhov nuav, txhua tug yeej ua.

yaweh

Perhaps, but you can honor someone (show great respect) without thanking
that person. I hope I've made myself clear that the purpose of the meal is
to gather people and make them aware of the reason/s why you are thanking
the person you are making the meal for. So, in this sense, those that came
to attend the event would fit this context of honoring that person that's
why they came. However, they don't have to make a speech thanking the
person that the meal is for. The organizer of the event, do make the
thanking speech. If this thanking is not uatsaug then I don't know what it
is. It's true as you said that everyone do event of "zoo sab" for someone,
for I've been to many happy birthday parties.

Moob Lajleeb

tejzag...what you saw are "cultural events" that have been "evolved"
in some ways....as i said, hmoob kev ua tsaug (called tiam) mas yuav
tsum muaj pe....in events such as a "thank you party for being a good
father" is not, to me, kev ua tsaug. kuj tsi paub, vim kuv tsi tau
pum such things before.

yaweh

Mooblajleeb,

vim koj nyob deb ntawm hmoob es koj thiaj li tsi tau pom duas xwb.
mhoob txoj kev ua tsawg, nws tseemceeb tshaj cov ua koj niaj nhub pom
no--lawv tuaj ib tug tsiaj coj mus ua ib tug neeg twg tsaug mas, lawv
ua kom muaj qab muaj quas nawb. lawv ua tsaug nrog dej nrog cawv
thiab pe nawb.

to answer your question--because we live in a modern society that
money is no objected. therefore, we have plenty money to spend for
such a small favor that is why you see many ways of Thanks... again,
typical happens in the christian adoptees are due to they had asked
"Vajtswv"--then they want to do a "kev zoosiab" for that person.
don't get me wrong here--and please forgive me for useing the terms,
these mhong christian people are "crazy", i don't think that the
western world regulary doing "Kev Zoosiab (txhawbzog) ua vajtswv tsaug
with killing pig, cows, or big fest." they are trying to combine both
mhong and american way of life here. in the west, they only pray or
get together with snacks.

What you've described is somebody owing somebody else a debt and they
are going back to repay that debt. Perhaps it was because of the
vagueness of the title of this thread that's why it got to this point
of trying to define what uatsaug is. That is not the intention of
this uatsaug at all. To use an analogy, it shouldn't really matter
whether the tomato is a fruit or a vegetable. The point is now that
the tomato is in the menu, is it just going to be a try and let's see
how it tastes then move on or will the tomato be a fixed item on the
menu from now on? Does it really matter that the procedure must
include this and that in order for it to qualified to be call
uatsaug? Is the procedure matter more than the event itself? You
must have this and this in order for it to be call this? ...