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Re: Is Hmong ready to change it past and move on into the future?         


Author: vimhlub
Date: Sep 3, 2008 15:51

Who sets the criteria for the 21st Century? Must we throw something
out before we can move into the 21st century? I thought we are
already there. Am I lost? Why is "Drunkard" the authority for you?
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Re: Is Hmong ready to change it past and move on into the future?         


Author: LOMTED
Date: Sep 3, 2008 16:40

On Sep 3, 5:51 pm, vimhlub gmail.com> wrote:
> Who sets the criteria for the 21st Century?  Must we throw something
> out before we can move into the 21st century?  I thought we are
> already there.  Am I lost?  Why is "Drunkard" the authority for you?

Vimhlub,

Thanks for point that out. Your questions are well taken. I'm apology
that I losing you on my question. Here is my question again.

In your opinion, what would be (THE BEHAVIORS) that you strongly
believes (IT'S BAD BEHAVIORS) Hmong's people (NEED) to leave behind/
throw it out of our culture (DISCONTINUE ITS) practice (AS WE'RE)
moving into the 21st Century (for the sake of our children and their
the future)?

An example would be (Kev Yuav Niam Hlob Niam Yau), (Kev ua tshoob ua
kos, nqi taub hau -nqi mis nqi hno-), (Kev pam tuag es tua txog 10+
tus txiaj, 3+ hnub, 1 lub ntees twg yog txog ntawm $35,000 mus rau
$50,000) thiab (Kev noj peb caug pib txij li thaum lub 9 hlis txog rau
lub 12 hlis)
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Re: Is Hmong ready to change it past and move on into the future?         


Author: LOMTED
Date: Sep 3, 2008 16:43

"Unless commitment is made, there are only promises and hopes... but
no plans."- Peter Drucker
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Re: Is Hmong ready to change it past and move on into the future?         


Author: vimhlub
Date: Sep 3, 2008 17:17

None of what you cited are burdens or what hold Hmong back. In fact,
loosing them may make Hmong worst off.

1. Kev yuav niam hlob niam yau? - there is a 50+ percent divorce rate
in America, yet everyone still wants to get married. Don't you think
divorcing one person just to get marry to another is a version of yuav
niam hlob niam yau? In fact, it is a yuav txiv hlob txiv yau as well.

There has never been a study proving that yuav niam hlob niam yau is a
hinderance to success. In fact, some argue the opposite. In today's
world, of the 189 countries, only 40 no longer practice polygamy. Is
polygamy good or bad? Who should be the judge?

2. Kev ua tshoob ua kos? - All civilized beings have some form of
marriage/wedding processes. What makes Hmong's unacceptable?

3. Nqi taub hau, nqi mis nqi hno? - What is so wrong with it that
getting rid of it will guarantee propulsion into a bright future?

4. Discontinue/throw away our culture? - Again, you listen too much
to Peter Drucker. Seems to me, you don't understand what he
preaches. You seem to think he is talking about the "flaws" in being
Hmong.
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Re: Is Hmong ready to change it past and move on into the future?         


Author: LOMTED
Date: Sep 3, 2008 18:25

Vimhlub,

Thanks again for your comments. Your points are well taken. However,
in respect with your comments, the question was asking from viewpoint
on revision not elimination of Hmong culture but thanks anyway.

I hope other well educated and highly intellectual will share their
honest and rational opinion in regard to this topic as well.

Let me restate the question again:
In your opinion, what would be (THE BEHAVIORS) that you strongly
believes (IT'S BAD BEHAVIORS) Hmong's people (NEED) to leave behind/
throw it out of our culture (DISCONTINUE ITS) practice (AS WE'RE)
moving into the 21st Century (for the sake of our children and their
the future)?

An example would be (Kev Yuav Niam Hlob Niam Yau), (Kev ua tshoob ua
kos, nqi taub hau -nqi mis nqi hno-), (Kev pam tuag es tua txog 10+
tus txiaj, 3+ hnub, 1 lub ntees twg yog txog ntawm $35,000 mus rau
$50,000) thiab (Kev noj peb caug pib txij li thaum lub 9 hlis txog
rau
lub 12 hlis)

LOMTED
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Re: Is Hmong ready to change it past and move on into the future?         


Author: LOMTED
Date: Sep 3, 2008 18:28

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level
of thinking we were at when we created them." - Albert Einstein
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Re: Is Hmong ready to change it past and move on into the future?         


Author: vimhlub
Date: Sep 4, 2008 08:29

HMONG NEED TO BE PROUD OF WHAT THEY HAVE AND WHO THEY ARE AND REJECT
THE IDEA THAT OTHER PEOPLES' IDEAS, CULTURAL PRACTICES, RELIGION,
LANGUAGES, ETC., ETC., ETC. ARE BETTER.

If we must reject what being Hmong is, who will be Hmong a few decades
from now? If we follow your BRIGHT ideas, there won't be any Hmong
left in the 22nd Century.

The research says that every 20 years, 100 languages disappeared from
the face of the earth. In China, 10 years ago, 70 percent of the
Hmong used the Hmong language to communicate with each other. Now,
only 30 percent do. The same trend is seen in many other countries
where Hmong live. In here (SCH), many of us don't even use Hmong to
communicate -- although most of us only speak broken English.
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Re: Is Hmong ready to change it past and move on into the future?         


Author: xtou55
Date: Sep 4, 2008 11:52

On Sep 4, 11:29 am, vimhlub gmail.com> wrote:
> HMONG NEED TO BE PROUD OF WHAT THEY HAVE AND WHO THEY ARE AND REJECT
> THE IDEA THAT OTHER PEOPLES' IDEAS, CULTURAL PRACTICES, RELIGION,
> LANGUAGES, ETC., ETC., ETC. ARE BETTER.
>
> If we must reject what being Hmong is, who will be Hmong a few decades
> from now?  If we follow your BRIGHT ideas, there won't be any Hmong
> left in the 22nd Century.
>
> The research says that every 20 years, 100 languages disappeared from
> the face of the earth.  In China, 10 years ago, 70 percent of the
> Hmong used the Hmong language to communicate with each other.  Now,
> only 30 percent do.  The same trend is seen in many other countries
> where Hmong live.  In here (SCH), many of us don't even use Hmong to
> communicate -- although most of us only...
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Re: Is Hmong ready to change it past and move on into the future?         


Author: phwvnyawm
Date: Sep 4, 2008 14:35

On Sep 4, 11:52 am, xto...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sep 4, 11:29 am, vimhlub gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> HMONG NEED TO BE PROUD OF WHAT THEY HAVE AND WHO THEY ARE AND REJECT
>> THE IDEA THAT OTHER PEOPLES' IDEAS, CULTURAL PRACTICES, RELIGION,
>> LANGUAGES, ETC., ETC., ETC. ARE BETTER.
>
>> If we must reject what being Hmong is, who will be Hmong a few decades
>> from now?  If we follow your BRIGHT ideas, there won't be any Hmong
>> left in the 22nd Century.
>
>> The research says that every 20 years, 100 languages disappeared from
>> the face of the earth.  In China, 10 years ago, 70 percent of the
>> Hmong used the Hmong language to communicate with each other.  Now,
>> only 30 percent do.  The same trend is seen in many other countries
>> where Hmong live.  In here (SCH), many of us don't even use Hmong to
>> communicate -- although most of us only speak broken English.
>
> Nyob rau rooj teb nos luag cov txawj cov ntses ces luag yuav mus
> change (pauv) ua lub neej zoo lis cov dawb hais the America Dream, ...
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Re: Is Hmong ready to change it past and move on into the future?         


Author: LOMTED
Date: Sep 4, 2008 15:21

Nyob zoo cov Phooj Ywg,

Many thanks to the many of you, who not ashamed to share you’re
thought on these matters. I couldn't agree more on with any of you and
your point of view and thanks again for recognize and point out
certain "unnecessary processes" in our culture practices process.
Which is not just myself but many Hmong have express their concern on
such broken processes that many of us became accepted it as our
culture practices process.

I believe life is a combination of events and the result of who we are
largely depend on how we reacted to such events in our life. Our
culture process is the same. If we are concern about a certain
unnecessary processes but reluctant to fix it or challenge it then the
result of such broken processes are what we want.

But if we believe and recognize that there such flaw in the processes
of which we practices and willing to take action to change it then
although we may not get a perfect process at least the process are the
result of our action and not just an accepted of other action.
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