as yhou all know, i am from sacramento...and believe it or not, i do
listen to christian radio stations. most of the time, i do enjoy
them...but soemtimes, like in this case, it jsut bugged the hell out
of me.

i will try my best to summarize what the pastor said..

"peb cov ntseeg tau txua yaam ntawm vaajtswv..tau dlhaw tau dlo...tsi
xiam ib npib ib xu...tsi zoo le cov teev dlaab...yuav ua neeb los yuav
poob nyaj quas zug...saib yaig los poob nyaj quas zug....vim vaajtswv
txuj lug mas...ITS FREE FOR ALL..."

listening to this pastor (txawj teev vaaj), it just sickens me to my
stomach. i did call into the radio station to try to open his eyes a
little bit more...but my call was not answered. my concern is not on
what he said...but on the remaining christains who seem to believe
that what he said is true....whats worse, not one single christian man
woudl stand up and correct him (not to my knowledge anyway). mej cov
kws ntseeg, yog ib tug pastor preach le nuav...mej puas xeev ntuav?
mej puas ntseeg? mej puas txaaj muag? why?

facts:

These are the lost souls that they pay 10-15%% of their annual income
to feed their pastors. A minimum $20 every Sunday. Close to the end
of Sunday service, the pastor is making sure he gets his share "Nej
cov txiv tsev hab nam tsev yuav tsum ncu ntsoov yug cov dlev num ov"

Let's you are making 50K a year, you pay church 6K annual
contribution, $1040 (20 x40) annual sunday services, between cov dlaab
and cov dlaab YESSUS, who is paying more?

On Jul 6, 6:43 pm, tsujsuadl...@hotmail.com wrote:

cwjmem..

cov kod kuv paub lawm...temsis..why...i meant why...were there no
righteious christain at all...to stand up on two feet and say "wait
wait pastor...that is not true on what you said...becasue we do charge
money to listen to the bible god's words too"???

a common phrase would be "es cov ntseeg ntse le nuav xwb tag tag li
lov?" would be the answer to thornspear's question in th efirst
place. tug kws dlaag los dlaaj luj le luj...tug xiam hlwb qe muag
nthi ntseeg....kuv tsi nkaag sab na? regardless of what religion a
man chooses...the first righteous thing would be for one to say
"pastor, we also charge 10%% to this..and we also collect money to pay
for you..."

yaweh

guys....

the intent of this post is not regarding personal feelings about the
"lies"....but..i truly do want to know why no other christains stood
up and say "xf txawj teev....koj hais tsi yog lawm laiv....peb twb
them nyiaj rau koj thiab ne.."

understand that we are the "intellectuals" of the future...temsis tej
qhov no xwb es twb tsi paub hais thiab es yuav ua neej li cas? puas
yog nej ntshai hais? los yog nej tsi paub hais? los yog nej tsi xav
hais? los yog nej xav cover up qhov lie? ua cas tsi paub le es,
tseem muab tso radio rau ntiajteb nov thiab? thov qhia...

yaweh

On Jul 7, 12:28 am, tsujsuadl...@hotmail.com wrote:

Yaweh,

On Jul 7, 1:06 am, tsujsuadl...@hotmail.com wrote:

tsuj,

Cov neeg feemcoob yog cov NTSEEG VAJTSWV, tsujtsawg thiaj muaj cov
VAJTSWV NTSEEG.

TseemYeej.

yawg tsuj,

let's be "fair" because may be some of us did not listen or hear his
lecture in its entirety, and what you have stated is taken out of
context OR paraphrased (as you stated), and so this subtracts from
what the real meaning was intended to be.

to be "fair", and reading between the lines, i think this pastor is
not "lying" or "stupid", and there is some truth, if not absolute
truth, to what he is saying. it is a shame lisnom/cheryang has placed
embargoes on my responses/statements, but i'd have liked to discuss
with them many questions/issues. i do hope they contribute.

please name me one religious activity for 'cov ntseeg dab qub' that
does not require 'money' as in currency for the living and after
world? ua neeb, fiv yeem, saib yaig, ua dab roog, nyuj dab, txhawb
txhiaj meej, hu plig, khi tes, khawv koob, pam tuag (qhuab ke, txiv
xaiv, tshuab qeej, ...), etc... to my knowledge, many require at least
one of these types of currency, while some require both.

pebhmoob...

txawj teev tsi yog neeg txawj ntse...as a matter of fact, i would
challenge him (plus you) to any debate regarding christaintiy and
hmong.

however, that is not the issue. even if we apply what you said about
"spiritual", it still doesn't make sense. every spiritual believes
are free....do you not know that? so again, he is still wrong. and you
are still an idiot.

yaweh

zhen,

koj kuj hais thwj lawm...but lets exam this issue in simpler
terms...everything still falls back to the point of

1. ua neeb ua yaig...yeej take money tiag as he stated....

but to say that "vaajtswv" txoj lus yog dawb dawb do do (tsi zoo li
cov coj dab...per his words)....to me, this is an act of stupidity on
his part...probably because his is blind... who is paying his fee
(similar to ua neeb)? he doens't do it for free, we all know
that...hais tsawg tsawg li no xwb thiaj li tsi confusing..txawjteev
claims it is free...but he gets paid for it....just as any txiv
neeb...there are certain services which are free...just like ther eare
certain mong services which are also free....so again, ua caag
christain people of "higher" intellectual tsi correct that pastor? my
only conclusion is...they are a bunch of morons.

the topic of his program was on "why did we convert"....which lead to
"its free" as one of the reason...the rest of the reasons are
acceptable (such as "vim i have good reasons"...just as any person of
any religion has...which really didn't show any clear sign besides
faith, which he could find anywhere in any religion).