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Author: fajkhaum
Date: Oct 30, 2007 18:52

Cov yawg,

Tus neeg uas tuag lawm, hais npaum cas los yeej tsi sawv. Yus tuag
lawm ces yus yog tus swb. Tus neeg raug ntes lawm ces yeej yog tus
ruam tshaj.

Ntiaj teb no nej leej twg ntseeg hais tias tus Meskas dav tw no yuav
pab nej no mad? Tsov rog Vietnam ces luag muab saib zoo li lijxwm 100
tawm xyoo dhau lawm xwb nav. Hais ntau luag tseem plhe ncauj rau nej
thiab ov. Kuv tseem xav tias yog nej xav kom Miskas hlub nej me ntsis
mas nej yuav tau mus nrog Miskas tus yeeb ncuab ua phoojywg nav.

Vim li cas Lo Cha thiab VP qhab nab thiaj muaj lub hlwb tias yuav mus
yuav phom ntawm Miskas mus tua nplog no mad? Puas yog tseem xav tias
yog xyoo 75 no mad? Riam phom nyob tim nplog thiab phab Asia luam ko
taw lawg cas tsi mus muab es yuav los thab hlob kav hlau mad? Kuv xav
tias lawv yeej ruam me ntsis lawm tiag. Tsi tas li xwb, tej zaum muaj
kev txhaum " Npam" me ntsis lawm thiab ov. Vaj lus kub yeej hais tias
" txoj kev txhaum yuav coj koj mus rau txoj kev ploj kev tuag" no
laiv.

Faj

On Oct 29, 8:28 pm, SYS lycos.com> wrote:
> I might have met this man back in the late '90, somewhere in St.
> Paul? Have you guys met him?
> ---------------------------------------
> Cloak & Dagger
>
> Why did a Hmong-American hatch a plot to violently overthrow the
> government of Laos? And how did he get so close to so many Wisconsin
> politicians?
> by Jessica McBride
> Monday 10/29/2007
>
> Watch who you trust, warned Gary George.
>
> They sat in the upscale Grafton home of the once-formidable Milwaukee
> lawmaker, with its scenic view of Lake Michigan. They made an unusual
> pair. George was then on parole, still finishing out a federal
> sentence. Lo Cha Thao was a Hmong political operative who was
> allegedly plotting to violently overthrow the communist government of
> Laos.
>
> Thao wanted advice from his old mentor, who had employed him as a
> state-paid legislative aide back when George was a Democratic state
> senator. Throughout the spring of 2007, Thao had been meeting with an
> arms dealer who might provide weapons to a group interested in waging
> this surreal, overseas revolution.
>
> But could they trust the dealer? Would he tip off federal law
> enforcement agents? Or was the arms dealer himself a covert CIA
> operative, suggesting the CIA secretly approved of the Hmong action.
>
> George doubted the latter. He knew how government sting operations
> worked. He had, after all, been nabbed by one, convicted for a
> complicated kickback scheme involving state funding and accused of
> having his Senate staffers do work for a Virgin Islands TV station
> owned by his relatives. It would be wiser to exchange any money with
> the seller in international waters, George advised Thao.
>
> And if the arms dealer was a federal agent? They make you feel
> comfortable, George warned. Then, they get you.
>
> Undeterred, Thao rendezvoused again a few weeks later with the arms
> dealer in a Sacramento, Calif., bar-and-grill. The plan was to support
> remaining Hmong resistance fighters in Laos. They were on the run from
> Communists, the atrocities against them chronicled on YouTube - women
> raped and hanged from trees, children disemboweled.
>
> Two other Hmong and a 60-year-old Vietnam veteran named Harrison
> Ulrich Jack, a retired lieutenant colonel in the California National
> Guard and a Homeland Security contractor, joined them. Jack seemed an
> unlikely warrior, with his bland beige suits and wire-rimmed glasses.
> But he owed the Hmong from back in his fighting days in Vietnam.
>
> The dealer pulled out satellite images of Laos, downloaded from
> Google. Twenty-four mercenaries stood ready, he said. Thao displayed
> maps. They'd previously discussed the needs: AK-47s, light anti-tank
> weapons, Claymore mines. He wanted seven or eight buildings blown up,
> like "September 11th," Thao said.
>
> "Colonel Jack can be my prime minister," he joked.
>
> Although some of the plotters suspected the agent worked for the
> government, that gave them comfort. The Hmong, after all, had been
> secret allies of the U.S. in the Vietnam War days, and they expected
> sympathy for another covert anti-communist effort to bring democracy
> to Laos.
>
> But this was a different era, rife with hostility to anything
> suggestive of terrorism, and the men who had once been American
> freedom fighters, or whose fathers had been, were about to be arrested
> as terrorists.
>
> As George had suspected, Thao and his confederates had walked into a
> trap. It was a sting operation by the federal Bureau of Alcohol,
> Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; the arms dealer was one of theirs.
> The meetings had been taped and the phones tapped. In an 88-page
> indictment, the government alleges that Thao, Jack and eight other
> Hmong-Americans - including Gen. Vang Pao, a revered former general in
> the Laotian army who'd led the secret CIA war in the 1960s and '70s -
> violated the U.S. Neutrality Act and conspired to kill, maim or injure
> persons in a foreign country. George was named (but not indicted) in a
> federal affidavit that details his alleged conversations with Thao.
>
> It was a "shocking" story, some news accounts suggested. There is talk
> of getting Clint Eastwood interested in a movie. And some are now
> calling Thao the "Hmong Jack Bauer," alluding to the heroic
> counterterrorism operative in the TV series "24."
>
> But why the connection to Wisconsin? It was perhaps inevitable, given
> this state has the nation's third-largest Hmong population. But it's
> surely one of the oddest political stories the state has ever found
> itself party to, a cloak-and-dagger intrigue worthy of a Robert Ludlum
> novel.
>
> For Lo Cha Thao was more than simply a protégé of Gary George. He had
> bipartisan allies, having worked for former Republican state Sen.
> Robert Welch as well as car dealer Russ Darrow when Darrow ran for
> U.S. Senate. His paramilitary youth group received funding from then-
> Attorney General Jim Doyle, now Wisconsin's Democratic governor, and
> Thao claims associations with former Republican congressman and
> current Ambassador Mark Green, which Green's spokesman denies.
>
> Thao was also close to former state Sen. Dave Zien, the madcap Eau
> Claire Republican known for his motorcycle riding and underground home
> shooting range. Zien insists he's the one who first suggested Thao
> should bring weapons into his overseas effort during a meeting the two
> had at a McDonald's parking lot in Eau Claire.
>
> The 34-year-old Thao, it seems, well understood a fundamental
> principle of American politics: Association to power often matters as
> much as power itself. Indeed, as he sits under house arrest, released
> on more than $2 million bail posted by fellow Hmong who pooled their
> houses as collateral, Wisconsin observers are asking about this
> political Zelig: Who didn't Lo Cha Thao know? And just how much did
> these officials know about him? It may well be the political question
> of the year. It's certainly the strangest.
>
> It was back in the mid-1970s,immediately after the U.S. withdrawal
> from Vietnam, that Hmong began immigrating in large numbers to this
> country. The connection between the Hmong and the United States goes
> back more than four decades.
>
> In the early 1960s, President John F. Kennedy and the U.S. military,
> then officially serving only as advisers to South Vietnam, were
> looking for ways to covertly disrupt the supply lines of communist
> North Vietnam. The U.S. was also concerned about North Vietnamese
> encroachment on Laos, the land-locked country next door to Vietnam,
> which was then ruled by a non-communist government.
>
> The regular army of Laos had proved ineffective against the North
> Vietnamese. So the CIA turned to the Hmong in Laos. The word Hmong
> literally means "free." In Laos, the Hmong, who had migrated from
> China, had no written language, prayed to shamans and used horses as
> primary transportation.
>
> Though America had signed an international accord promising to stay
> out of Laos, the CIA's Bill Lair secretly recruited Vang Pao to lead
> the irregular army of about 30,000 - including child fighters -
> trained and funded by America.
>
> Hugh Tovar, the CIA station chief in Laos from 1970 to 1973, offered a
> slightly different chronology in a rare e-mail interview: "The prime
> minister of Laos asked President Kennedy to provide clandestine
> assistance to Vang Pao's irregulars. Kennedy assigned the task to
> CIA."
>
> Pao's army would go on to fight for almost 15 years, helping to rescue
> downed American pilots, block North Vietnamese supply lines down the
> Ho Chi Minh trail and protect American radar sites.
>
> "As the undisputed leader of the Hmong population in Laos, General Pao
> was uniquely effective, both militarily and politically," Tovar notes.
> "They were expert guerrilla fighters, organized chiefly in small
> units, specializing in ambush, night maneuvers, hit-and-run strikes,
> and intelligence collection."
>
> Among those whose lives they saved was that of Harrison Jack, an Army
> ranger who would later be asked to return the favor by joining the
> conspiracy with Thao to overthrow present-day Laos.
>
> Thao's father served as a military lieutenant for Pao in Laos. "My dad
> got shot. He's 76 years old now. He still has scars on his face and
> his legs," says Thao.
>
> A mythology grew up around Pao among the Hmong: Pao was shot by an
> assassin; Pao survived a plane crash; Pao didn't fear death; Pao was
> the savior of the Hmong people. "He was many times shot," says Hmong
> scholar Yang Dao. Over time, he became known as "the George Washington
> of the Hmong."
>
> The Hmong sacrifice for America was enormous. Half of its army died,
> says Dao.
>
> Bill Fortier, a retired military man and friend of Jack, recently
> attended a dinner party where Pao's brother recalled the Hmong losses
> in that war: "He was in tears when he told us he lost 99 of his men
> and was a sole survivor when his unit was fighting to save one
> American downed pilot. He was so emotional that everyone was in tears.
> He said the Hmong people loved America and were willing to sacrifice
> whatever it took to save the Americans."
>
> In 1975, when the Americans retreated from Southeast Asia, the
> Communists finally took over Laos, and slaughtered thousands of Hmong.
> "His (Pao's) personal commitment to the United States resulted in the
> tragedy of his own exile and the total disruption of the Hmong
> community," Tovar notes.
>
> Thousands of Hmong fled to Thai refugee camps. Thao's brother carried
> him, at age 3, through the mountains. The American government
> airlifted Pao out. Others were left behind. Ultimately, some 200,000
> Hmong fled Laos.
>
> The U.S. Catholic Conference and Lutheran Immigration and Refugee
> Services helped to sponsor Hmong immigration to the U.S. beginning in
> 1975. Heavily Catholic and Lutheran, Wisconsin became a prime
> recruiter, after only Minnesota and California. Today, the largest
> Hmong communities in the state are in La Crosse, Sheboygan, Green Bay,
> Wausau and Milwaukee.
>
> For some, there was a dark side to the almost legendary tale of the
> Hmong warriors. UW-Madison history professor Alfred McCoy published a
> 1972 book making the controversial claim that Pao was a warlord and
> heroin trafficker. McCoy says he ...
>
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