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Author: tsujsuadluagtsujsuadluag Date: Dec 10, 2007 10:38
Please comment as a person to solve the issue, not as a religious
freak to further divide this family.
I have been in the United States for about 26 years now, and ever
since I could remember, the tension of christian and nonchristian
among family has always been there. I'm sure all of you are in the
same boat, which is why I would like to hear more from you guys.
keep in mind that these things are true. peb ua neeb los lawd tsi
tuaj, peb khi tes los lawd tsi tuaj. lawd ua mov hawm txog vajtswv
los peb tsi mus. lawd tuaj los lawd tsi koom, peb mus tom lawd los
peb mus saib xwb...etc. lawd hais tias "nej ua dab qhev" and peb hais
tias "nej hawm menyuam tsaub..", lawd hais tias "zoo li no xwb, peb
tsi koom, vim peb muaj peb ib pawg ntseeg"..peb hais tias "dabqhua
txawm lawm, peb tsi yog kwvtij..." etc....i'm sure all of you are
aware of these words....
Vim li no, peb cov hluas thiaj tias "we need to solve this stupidity"
among the family...to come up with ib pluag mov every 3 years or so,
for the whole family to come together and not have any "religious"...
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Author: Born2beHmongBorn2beHmong Date: Dec 10, 2007 11:31
> Please comment as a person to solve the issue, not as a religious
> freak to further divide this family.
>
> I have been in the United States for about 26 years now, and ever
> since I could remember, the tension of christian and nonchristian
> among family has always been there. I'm sure all of you are in the
> same boat, which is why I would like to hear more from you guys.
>
> keep in mind that these things are true. peb ua neeb los lawd tsi
> tuaj, peb khi tes los lawd tsi tuaj. lawd ua mov hawm txog vajtswv
> los peb tsi mus. lawd tuaj los lawd tsi koom, peb mus tom lawd los
> peb mus saib xwb...etc. lawd hais tias "nej ua dab qhev" and peb hais
> tias "nej hawm menyuam tsaub..", lawd hais tias "zoo li no xwb, peb
> tsi koom, vim peb muaj peb ib pawg ntseeg"..peb hais tias "dabqhua
> txawm lawm, peb tsi yog kwvtij..." etc....i'm sure all of you are
> aware of these words....
>
> Vim li no, peb cov hluas thiaj tias "we need to solve this stupidity"
> among the family...to come up with ib pluag mov every 3 years or so, ...
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Author: tsujsuadluagtsujsuadluag Date: Dec 10, 2007 11:40
born2bhmong...
either ua txhua yam...or nothing at all...is this your solution then?
yaweh
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Author: Born2beHmongBorn2beHmong Date: Dec 10, 2007 13:06
> born2bhmong...
>
> either ua txhua yam...or nothing at all...is this your solution then?
>
> yaweh
yes, all the students agreed to that either we do them all, or do
nothing because it is not fair to other participants at the event as
not two people would share the same religion and mindset.
B2BH
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Author: Born2beHmongBorn2beHmong Date: Dec 10, 2007 14:33
On Dec 10, 3:21 pm, tseemyeej gmail.com> wrote:
> Tsuj,
>
> Koj pluag mov kwvtij no, lub tseem ntsiab, yog ib lub zoo homphiaj,
> tabsis yog 3 xyoos mam noj ib zaug xwb ces yuav mus tsis txog twg
> os.
>
> This is the difference; luag cov mus Vajtswv luag mus 2-3 times/week,
> luag txav ze Vajtswv zujzus, hos yus ces, 3 xyoos twg mam noj ib zaug
> mov ua ke xwb, lub cimxeeb kwvtij thiaj raug qauj zujzus hauv yus hlwb
> lawm. Christianity vision is like the magnet that has an attractive
> power to all metals, Hmong people are lack of vision to defend
> themselves.
>
> Despite so, nothing is too late if you decide to fight back, starting
> from you, now. If you lose a battle, it doesn't mean you lost the war.
> It gotta be a way to win.
>
> TseemYeej.
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Author: Tzianeng VangTzianeng Vang Date: Dec 10, 2007 14:43
Cov boj yaig,
Kuv yog ib tug ntseeg Vajtswv thaum yau los txog niaj hnub niam
no...tiam sis kuv nco thiab tshua peb Hmoob li kawg nkaus. Kuv nyiam
kev cai ntseeg Vajtswv tiam sis tsis nyiam cov neeg coj thiab ntseeg.
Kuv ntshaw peb Hmoob kab li kev cai tshaj tiam sis tsis pom li cov coj
cov tswj li tej kev kav.
The religion and the system are not the problem...the people and their
ignorances are the problem...
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Dec 10, 2007 15:24
tnv,
> The religion and the system are not the problem...the people and their
> ignorances are the problem...
not 'steal' your thunder, BUT, koj hais yog lawm laiv. i always ask,
did the follower 'fail' the faith, or did the faith 'fail' the
follower?
what to do? if you have correctly identified the problem not to be the
faiths but the people's ignorance, then as they say, 'education'
should be part of the remedy. education in what? could it be in simple
religious tolerance? but if the problem is faith and not the people,
then what are we to do?
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Author: muatonymuatony Date: Dec 10, 2007 15:32
On Dec 10, 5:43 pm, Tzianeng Vang gmail.com> wrote:
> Cov boj yaig,
>
> Kuv yog ib tug ntseeg Vajtswv thaum yau los txog niaj hnub niam
> no...tiam sis kuv nco thiab tshua peb Hmoob li kawg nkaus. Kuv nyiam
> kev cai ntseeg Vajtswv tiam sis tsis nyiam cov neeg coj thiab ntseeg.
> Kuv ntshaw peb Hmoob kab li kev cai tshaj tiam sis tsis pom li cov coj
> cov tswj li tej kev kav.
>
> The religion and the system are not the problem...the people and their
> ignorances are the problem...
>
> Qhov tseeb kuv pom ntawm ob tug kub kev ntseeg Vajtswv thiab kev teev
> dab qhuas Hmoob ces yog kev kawm (education) xwb. Yog thaum peb paub
> tseeb lawm ces tus twg los yeej ua tau txaus siv tag li. Kuv yeej pom
> ntau zaus lawm peb cov mus coj kev cai tshiab lawm tseem zoo li cov me
> nyuam luag cov mus cuv be kawm ntawv es tseem mus nyob ntawm lub
> office tos xwb. Tiam sis thaum peb tham ces peb muab hais tias Vajtswv
> twb txais tos thiab lees cawm peb ntawd kev txhaum los lawm no xwb.
> Tsis tag li xwb thaum ub (not confirmed, but suspected so) cov ...
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Author: tsujsuadluagtsujsuadluag Date: Dec 10, 2007 15:40
MT...
ua tsaug ntau...temsis qhov teebmeem tsi yog because we're doing it
their house...or my house...the problem is taht before we organzed the
"meal"...we already made it clear that "no religious"
involvement..because it is religion that have been dividing us...all
agreed to keep it "neutral", tsi pub ua yaam twg. the second thing
is, the "meal" is prepared by everyone...tsi muaj leejtwg ua tug
host...all pitch in to rent a place, find a place, alll buys the
foood....in the name of "everyone."....
qhov teebmeem yog qhov nuav.....
yaweh
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Author: tseemyeejtseemyeej Date: Dec 10, 2007 15:52
Tsuj,
Yog koj paub txog tus principal ntawm cov hlau nplaum (magnet) ces koj
thiaj yuav to taub zoo. It is all about the impact of the manget nav.
Peb lub neej dhau los thaum ub, yog nom tsis tuaj hla peb zos...
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