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Author: HmoobleejtubHmoobleejtub Date: Aug 4, 2008 23:03
1. He was a good man.
2. He was a Hmong hero.
3. He cared about Hmong people.
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Author: pebhmoobruampebhmoobruam Date: Aug 5, 2008 04:38
On Aug 5, 1:03 am, Hmoobleejtub hotmail.com>
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> 1. He was a good man.
> 2. He was a Hmong hero.
> 3. He cared about Hmong people.
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Nyob rau kuv tus kheej mas kuv ho xav li no.
1. Koj nqe lus ib Is he qa good man mas tej zaum nws kuj yuav yog ib
tus neeg zoo tiamsis nws nyob rau wrong side lawm xwb.
2. Ntawd nqe ob He was a Hmong hero mas kuv xav tias tej zaum kuj
yuav yog...
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Author: kwvtijkwvtij Date: Aug 5, 2008 07:30
i have learned in history that the term "kiab toom" is a vietnamese
term. in vietnamese, it is written differently, but it sounds
similar. in china, we hmong claimed to have many kings, but in fact,
those were not kings. ever though hmong considered them kings, they
were in fact just "chiefs" similar to the american indian chiefs who
are leaders of a tribe. king chi yu, for example who was claimed by
many hmong as a king was simply a chief. however, he might had been
selected to be the top chief or the leader of all hmong tribal chiefs
for the purpose of organizing men for war against the chinese. that
was why he was considered king at the time because all hmong regarded
him as the only top leader they had just like vang pao today. now
back to "kiab toom." when the hmong migrated to...
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Author: ychaxwmychaxwm Date: Aug 5, 2008 07:51
On Aug 5, 6:38 am, pebhmoobr...@ yahoo.com wrote:
> On Aug 5, 1:03 am, Hmoobleejtub hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> 1. He was a good man.
>> 2. He was a Hmong hero.
>> 3. He cared about Hmong people.
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> Nyob rau kuv tus kheej mas kuv ho xav li no.
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> 1. Koj nqe lus ib Is he qa good man mas tej zaum nws kuj yuav yog ib
> tus neeg zoo tiamsis nws nyob rau wrong side lawm xwb.
> 2. Ntawd nqe ob He was a Hmong hero mas kuv xav tias tej zaum kuj
> yuav yog rau communist tiamsis tsi yog rau peb cov nyob tog freedom.
> Qhov kuv hais li mas yog tsi muaj yawg coj Hmoob nrog nplog ua txij
> tog txij peg mas cov niag nplog tsw quav ntawm yeej tso nplua tsov rog
> ntawd tseg ntxov lawm. Yog lawv tso tsov rog tseg cais peb twb tsi ...
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Author: kwvtijkwvtij Date: Aug 5, 2008 09:30
>On Aug 5, 9:51 am, ycha Cov Npawg Lauj Kiabtoos yog thawj tus HMOOB ua nrog Fabkis tuas
> Nyablaj hov. Nws tus Kiabtoos yog Fabkis muab. Tab sis yeeb xyoo 1958
> Lauj foom poob phubthaen ces lawv thiaj khiav lawm xwb.- Hide quoted text -
tiag tiag thawj thawj tug kiab toom yog tooj ntxawg muas appointed by
the french in 1896. thaum ntawd npliaj yob lauj tseem yog tooj ntxawg
muas tus assistant xwb. xyoo 1917 tooj ntxawg retired lawm...
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Aug 5, 2008 10:02
> tiag tiag thawj thawj tug kiab toom yog tooj ntxawg muas appointed by
> the french in 1896. thaum ntawd npliaj yob lauj tseem yog tooj ntxawg
in JHM's book, before the french were confronted with the hmong, there
were already 3 hmong kiab toom. the french did not appoint the kiab
toom position, in fact, they eliminated it by introducing another
governing structure to assimilate the hmong into french colonialism
for taxation. a lot of people know, before contact with the french, in
northeast laos, there were the 3 kiabtoom, ly, moua, and lor. less
people know, that in northwest laos, there were other kiab toom too.
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Author: Tshojxyuas1Tshojxyuas1 Date: Aug 5, 2008 10:59
Dear friend,
You do not know the story then do not invent. Go back to do more
research on Bliao Yao biography
before posting your stupid story about him.
txy
On Aug 5, 10:30 am, kwv...@ aol.com wrote:
>>On Aug 5, 9:51 am, ycha Cov Npawg Lauj Kiabtoos yog thawj tus HMOOB ua nrog Fabkis tuas
>> Nyablaj hov. Nws tus Kiabtoos yog Fabkis muab. Tab sis yeeb xyoo...
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Aug 5, 2008 11:12
tshojxyu
> You do not know the story then do not invent. Go back to do more
> research on Bliao Yao biography
> before posting your stupid story about him.
kav liam los mas mog. cia lawv hais lawv thiab nab. saib seb nej puas
xav kom peb tsuag ntshav pim ntshav qau xwb? tham txog tej yam zoo li
no lom zem thiab pab qhib tau peb cov paj hlwb dua. good good xwb os
mog. cia nyias hais nyiaj zaj seb tus twg yog tus dag tus paub tus xav
kawm tus xav qhia nawb.
>> muas tus assistant xwb. xyoo 1917 tooj ntxawg retired lawm. twb txog
>> rau xyoo 1921 npliaj yob lauj mam officially appointed by the french
>> ua kiab toom. tos li fabkis ho muab kiab toom rau npliaj yob lauj los
this statement above is preposterous, because lauj nplaij yob txiv,
aka, lor pasy, twb yog kiab toom thiab. kiab toom tsis yog fab kis
tsa, tiam si, txiv cev rau tub ua.
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Aug 5, 2008 11:24
i'd like to ask dr pao to comment as much as he knows. muaj ib zaug
nws pab qhia txog xaiv kaub thoj + kiab toom. it seems like they had a
'good' relationship or were on good terms, at least. hais txog lauj
kiab toom xwb ces, koj cov 1, 2, 3 no yog no, no, no tag nrho raws li
keeb kwm thiab hmoob tau hais tseg.
On Aug 5, 2:03 am, Hmoobleejtub hotmail.com>
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> 1. He was a good man.
> 2. He was a Hmong hero.
> 3. He cared about Hmong people.
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Author: kwvtijkwvtij Date: Aug 5, 2008 12:03
after qian jia rebellion in 1795 thousand of hmong fled to dong van in
vietnam. in 1805-06 paj txhim, blia yob's father organized a team led
by khwb vwj to laos to look for a new place to settle. they landed
and settled in nong het, laos. pas txim was in fact an unofficial and
only a clan kia toom back in vietnam and still retained his title when
arrived in laos. later in laos paj txim was murdered. because his
oldest son, npliaj yob was still only boy, his title was passed to his
uncle, txhiaj xwm lauj.
of course, before 1896 when the first official kia toom, tooj ntxawg
muas appionted was by the french, there were many countless kia toom
vang, yang, lee, lor etc.., but these are just clan kiab toom. tooj
ntxawg, npliaj yob and thereafter were the ones who appointed by the
french to governed the hmong and collected tax from the hmong for the
french. at that time the title was considered broarder, but later was
replaced by toj xeem system.
don't you young elite get me wrong. i only tell what i know. if you
think you know more and better, please do share.
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