Suav txijli hnub tim 5 lub 2 hli/ 08 tag no, Tswvyim tau sau nyob rau
hauv Sch. txog Mojthem, peb muab sibcas hais sab kawb, pom tau tias
nej coobleej cem Tswvyim kawg, tabsi tshuav tijlaug xwb, ua rau hnub
no, Mojthem hais tau zoo. Nws hais ntsigtxog Nplog tsis hlub Hmoob es
Hmoob thiaj ua tojnam rau ub rau no, uas tsis muaj hnub tus.

Kuv thov qhuav Tswvyim koj cov lus uas rau Mojthem hais lus zoo li ib
tug politician rau Hmoob thiab yog Hmoob ib lub Sch. xovtoojcua lawm.
Ncontsoov, muaj cov hais, los yuav tau muaj cov mloog, muaj cov thuam,
muaj cov kho mas thiaj ua tau zoo. Yog tias Mojthem hais tau zoo li no
mus xwb mas, lub hli tom ntej no kuv yuav xa meme phajtshab mus pab
peb Mojthem thiab.

tshaj,

koj vwm pob? kuv mloog 2/4/2008 tam sim no, kuv twb tsis pom 2/6/2008
los 2/5/2008 ned.

tswv yim cem cem peb xeem vaj nej twb tsis hais ned. cas nws ib nyuag
qoj ywj pheej me me xwb nej coob leej ntau tus yuav luag qhau ntuj
vau?

kuv xav, tswv yim hais tej zaum tsis tseeb 100%% los yeej muaj tseeb
10%% lawm. yeeb vim tias yog ywj pheej tsis mus deev cov ntxhais mos
mos los tsim teeb meem tim suav teb, vim li cas aib ntawd tsis ua
video tshiab ntxiv li lawm? aib pheej siv cov niag qub los ua cov
tshiab xwb (hais txog keeb kwm hmoob nyob tuam tshoj). kuv xav xwb
mas, tej zaum nws raug 4 tim tiv lawm tiag. ib tug kuv paub tias ua
ntej keej keej ua movie ces raug 4 tag cia li zoo li ploj lawm ces yog
xub thoj ntag. raws li kuv hnov (remember, kuv yog flat head dirt ball
li thorn) xub thoj mus thaij cov muam sib aim ces raug ntes; txij li
ntawd, zoo li tsis pom xub thoj tsim ib daim movie qhov twg li lawm es
(cov movie tim los tsuas, thaib, suav teb).

On Feb 6, 4:32 pm, zhen gmail.com> wrote:

On Feb 6, 9:04 pm, Tshajpla...@gmail.com wrote:

On Feb 6, 4:32 pm, zhen gmail.com> wrote:

tshajplaws,

ywj pheej, according to the hmong nationality archives, is a phd
candidate at the u of minn. so, he's very close to piercing through to
the philosophical level of thought (if we are to believe that earning
a phd warrants some sense of confidence and proficiency). his
'masters' degree/credential is being overshadowed by his doctoral
work; he is or should be, beyond the point of regurgitation (you know,
believe it or not, beyond her lao's level), and provide his own
syntheses and conclusions (as long as they are well founded or
validated).

on one hand, what he says, when he calls vwj paj yias + zhang xiu mei
as 'emperors', is not mainstream, and poses an interesting viewpoint
should he validate his statements/claims. on the other hand, the...

Ntshe kuv yau yau kuv tsis paub.
The chinese called themselves emperor even when they were just one
state. for example, you can say the Shang dynasty was a dynasty with
an emperor, but then the zhou were co-existent and eventually overtook
the Shang so the shang and zhou can be considered two separate and
contemporary states, but yet the Shang had an 'emperor'.

the rebellion by vwj paj yias was not just the 'miao' but many of the
other ethnic groups and even some hans so you can say vwj paj yias was
in charge or ruled over the many different peoples. the rebellion did
not pan out and the chinese eventually won out.

you don't need to fit into the chinese system to be an emperor.

paj,

let me ask you this. what was vwj paj yias' empire called? nws lub
tshoj hu li cas?

also, let me ask you this.
1. vaj ntxwv (wang.zi) yog dab tsi?
2. tuam vaj ntxwv (da wang.zi) yog dab tsi?
3. huab tais (huang.di) yog dab tsi?
4. tshoj (chao) yog dab tsi?

i can anticipate where you're going with the definition and
qualification of what is an emperor, but, that's a slippery slope; it
allows anyone to define an emperor to be anything, and thus, an
emperor will be really nothing at all. is this approach what we want?
if so, then may be you should jump in some times and lecture others as
well as promote the very idea of vang pao as 'king'.

do you think vang pao was 'king' or 'emperor' as he was in charged and
ruled over many different people during the secret war. answer me,
please.

On Feb 6, 4:19 pm, Tshajpla...@gmail.com wrote:

Vwj Paj Yias lub empire lub npe yeej tsis raug sau cia vim tias tus
sau ces yog cov suav xwb. Luag tsuas hu ua rebellion xwb. Tib yam li
thaum America ntaus revolutionary war, Britain tsuas hais tias
rebellion xwb, and if america had not won they would still have called
it rebellion.
1) vaj ntxwv = king
2) tuam vaj ntxwv = never heard this before, but the tuam means bigger
king
3) huab tais = emperor
4) tshoj = state??

Well I wasn't too sure, but as long as you get what I was trying to
say that's all good.
the Zhou Emperor was still called emperor during the war states period
even though he had no control over anything.

Vaj Pov was not a king or an emperor. Why? Because he never acted in
that capacity. He was in the Royal Lao Army under the CIA. If he had
declared a separate Hmong state, and then had all the other ethnic
minorities support him, then he could have been called a king if you
would like, or even an emperor if you stretch it.