On Aug 14, 6:08Â pm, zhen
googlemail.com> wrote:> nyob zoo ywj pheej,
>
> ua koj tsaug koj tuaj nrog peb tham thiab. vam thiab cia siab tias koj
> yuav tuaj koom peb sib tham (discuss) sib cav (debate/argue) kom peb
> hmoob txoj kev xav (thinking) kev sib hlub (humanity) loj hlob zuj zus
> mus ntxiv.
>
>> hais los cov neeg zoo yeej mloog raug lawm. Piv txwv, kuv hais tias
>> thaum Vwj Paj Yias lawv ua rog mas peb cov phom zoo dua tab sis peb ho
>> poob qab ntawm txoj kev ua phom lawm. Peb poob qab ntawm txoj kev
>> txhim kho peb cov riam phom mas yog vim tsis muaj teb muaj chaw thiab
>> vim peb txoj kev ntseeg. Cov neeg zoo yeej to taub zoo lawm tias qhov
>
> ntawm no, yog ib qho transcription txog koj cov lus 8/11/2008. this is
> a direct transcription of your words in hmong using RPA from your
> 8/11/2008 show during the segment from 10:18 to 10:59 (10 minutes 18
> seconds to 10 minutes 59 seconds).
>
> keeb kwm hais tias lub caij nyoog huab tais vwj paj yias lawv sawv tua
> suav, xyoo 1795 txog 1806 mas hmoob cov phom loj tseem zoo thaib tua
> mus deb tshaj li suav cov. tab si yog vim li cas peb thiaj poob qab
> lawm? qhov ib, vim peb swb rog, tsis muaj nom muaj tswv tsis muaj teb
> muaj chaws, peb thiaj ua tsis tau li lub siab nyiam. qhov ob, thiab
> qhov tseem ceeb tshaj, kuj yog vim peb hmoob txog kev ntseeg es yuav
> ua raws daim qhov qub xwb tsis pub hloov, tsis pub txuas tshiab ntxiv
> li. qhov no, yog txog kev ntseeg uas ua rau peb hmoob poob qab.
>
> this is the best i can do with an english translation.
>
> history has said during the time when emperor vue pay yeah rose to
> fight the chinese, from 1795 to 1806, the large hmong guns (cannons?)
> were better and had longer firing range than the chinese guns. but,
> why did we fall behind? firstly, on why we lost the war, because we
> had no government or country, that is why we could not do what we
> wanted. secondly, and the
> most important point, is also because of our belief in doing things
> with strict adherence to the old ways without any leeway for change,
> and to never allow anything new to be produced. this is the belief
> that caused us to fall behind.
>
> as you can see, you purported 2 reasons why the hmong lost to the
> chinese. among one of those reasons is that we had no government (nom
> tswv) and country (teb chaws). what is contradicting to me is that if
> wu ba.yue was as you claimed, an emperor, do you mean to say that he
> had no government in place or no country? i don't see how many
> reasonable person could think otherwise and not easily see the
> contradiction in your words.
>
> in the context of what you were saying, you said there was a hmong
> emperor named wu ba.yue and during his rise against the chinese, had
> better gun technology, however, one of the reason why the hmong lost
> the war is because they had no government or country.
>
> you should be more careful in what you said. these are not my
> criticism of you, but merely to underscore the contradictions in what
> you say. i think you undone what you did better than any criticism
> that i may have had.
>
>> vim peb txoj kev ntseeg. Cov neeg zoo yeej to taub zoo lawm tias qhov
>> peb tsis muaj teb muaj chaw yog hais txog tom qab kob rog no los txog
>> rau niaj hnub niam no. Tsuas yog cov neeg nrhiav kev sib thuam thiaj
>> li ua txuj tsis to taub xwb. Tsis yog kuv cov nyom kuv cov lus; yog
>> koj/nej mloog tsis zoo thiab tej zaum txhob txwm xawb lus hais rau cov
>> uas tsis tau mloog kuv cov lus xwb. Thov caw mloog dua.
>
> so, you are saying "good people" will understand you very well and
> "critics don't understand"? how can this be? how can you judge us
> based on whether we agreed with you or understood you? i don't think
> anyone "txhob txwm xawb" deliberately try to put your radio down or
> your faction of hmong thoughts down. this is just a discussion forum,
> and we, well, "discuss". so, don't take it too personal.
>
> a lot of things you guys say i am in disagreement with, but i resonate
> well with your charismatic concern for hmong people. i have supported
> moj them when you came to fresno, and enjoyed talking very much with
> you. that was too long ago; that year, you had your booth facing the
> west side at fresno fair ground. so no matter, what, kuv yeej tau
> ntsib koj ib nyuag zaug ib nyuag pliag thiab. when i make a visit to
> MN, you are one of the individuals i'd be so interested to meet. no
> matter what happens, i don't think anyone can take away the
> breakthrough research in ancient hmong history you have made.
Zhen,
Kuv ntseeg tias koj yog ib tus muaj tswv yim zoo nyob rau hauv no. Kuv
xav tias koj yuav muaj peev xwm to taub kuv cov lus zoo. Tab sis zoo
li koj tsis muaj peev xwm to taub kuv sob lus, los yog koj txhob txwm
mislead suav daws los yog distort kuv sob lus (paragraph). Thov txhob
ua li no ntxiv lawm. Kuv yeej tsis tau hais ib lo lus los yog ib kab
lus txog "Hmoob swb rog rau Suav" nyob rau qhov broadcast no li koj
lam hais li. Li cas los xij peem, peb ib txhia neeg, txawm peb nyeem
tib phau ntawv los nyias yeej to taub lawm nyias. Thov koj rov mloog
kuv cov lus no zoo zoo ib ob zaug ntxiv, thiab thov koj transcribe/
translate the beginning sentences of the very paragraph which led to
"keeb kwm hais tias lub caij nyoog huab tais vwj paj yias lawv sawv
tua suav . . .," koj thiaj li to taub qhov kuv hais, los yog cov phooj
ywg hauv no thiaj li tsis to taub kuv yuam kev li koj try to present.
Kuv tham txog rab phom Hmoob xwb, ua ib qho example ntawm peb txoj kev
tsis hloov xwb. Kuv tsis tau tham ib los txog qhov Hmoob thiab Suav
sib tua yeej swb li. Qhov piav txog Vwj Paj Yias lawv tua Suav tsuas
yog tib kab lus piv txwv tias Hmoob twb muaj phom zoo dua Suav thaum
no lawm xwb. Kuv yeej tsis tau hais txog qhov laj thawj (reasons) uas
Hmoob swb rog rau Suav li koj lam hais li. Yog vim li cas koj ho mloog
tawm li no? Thaum kuv hais txog yog vim li cas Hmoob ho "poob qab"
lawm, kuv hais txog peb Hmoob poob qab qhov txhim kho riam phom kom
zoo zuj zus mus xwb. Kuv yeej tsis tau hais ib los txog qhov Hmoob swb
rog rau Suav vim ib, ob, los peb li. Qhov koj hais hauv qab no
completely incorrect and distorted.
"as you can see, you purported 2 reasons why the hmong lost to the
chinese. among one of those reasons is that we had no government (nom
tswv) and country (teb chaws)."
Yog qhov twg koj ho tsis to taub, los yog ho xav tias ua cas kuv ho
siv lo lus no lo lus tod, los thov hu xov tooj rau kuv nawb.
Hos hais txog tus kwv tij uas nug kuv tias peb yuav ua li cas pab riam
phom rau lawv, qhov kuv hais los yog HMT hais yog ib cov niam tswv yim
(philosophy) xwb, tsis tau ntaus nqi tias peb muaj txoj kev ua li peb
lub tswv yim. Thov cai ob qho no kom meej. Kuv ntseeg tias yog peb cov
philosophy tsis meej pem, ces peb cov strategies yeej tsis meej pem
tib yam thiab. HMT lub luag hauj lwm yog tham txog sab niam tswv yim
los yog philosophy kom peb cov neeg ras thiab meej pem xwb, thiab kom
peb ras haiv, tig los sib hlub.
Kawg no, kuv pom tias nej coob tus nyob rau hauv no muaj laj lim tswv
yim zoo thiab sau ntawv zoo heev. Kuv yeej qhuas nej kawg li. Yog kuv
lam sau ntawv zoo li nej thiab muaj tswv yim npaum nej, kuv twb zoo
siab heev lawm. Kuv cia siab tias nej yuav tsis lam mloog thiab txhais
yuam kev kuv cov lus rau tom ntej. Ua tsaug.
Yuepheng
