What Do Hmong religion do or did to the Hmong people? What was its
origin, where did we do wrong or right? Why religion always gets in
the way...some benefit from it and some suffer. In each culture that
Hmong encounter, i.e. Laos and America, Hmong acculturate, enculturate,
or assimilate to those cultures, only a few breaks away from it and the
rest regress to the old belief?

What should we do?

avang..

any religion is as bad, as good, as stupid, as logical, etc...as
any other religion...

that is why i'm not converted...one can argue that "yaweh is blind,
that's why he is not converted..." but one can also say "yaweh
is not blind, that's why he see that there's no need to be converted"

religion is one of the root of segregation..evil...killings..etc..and
yet...we still honor it...for it is what it is..and it is what makes us
who we are...

yaweh

Tsujsua Dluag,

This thread is not convert, it is to see where hmong as a whole stance.
it is about looking back into the origin of hmong religion and a
looking foward to the future.

good hmong religion takes hmong some where. bad hmong religion take
hmong back to the old days, but where? stupid hmong religion makes
hmong psychotic.

religion, through cultural acculturation, must assimilate, to the
betterment of the hmong people.

so what is the origin of hmong religioin?

Avang,

Would you or anyone please define what is Hmong religion? I found very
intrigue by making too broad of statement about Hmong religion, which
also very much mix with Hmong culture. When you're able to identify
the differences between Hmong cluture and Hmong religion then you might
very well trace back to its root. As today, yog peb mus nrog cov laus
tham ces lawv puavleej haistias, kev uaneeg uayaig, huplig, khites etc.
puavlej yog culture xwb no laiv.

kuamemiab

Kuamem iab wrote:

Hmong never had religion, it was all between the clans amd each clan's
belief was and still is different to this day. Once the Mong/Hmong
smelled alwhity god, Jesus was the savior and a killer..

Amen, where are u stipod anti?

Religion doesn't cause seperation and hatred, it is only used as an
excuse for such. Without religion differences, people will still find
excuses to hate each other. Religion saves those who really try to
live its teachings. People who pervert religion to get their way are
evil with or without religion.

Kuamem iab,

Religion is in itself is a belief, behavior, and feeling of people.
For the Hmong, it is what we belief in, how we behave, and what we feel
within us as a people.

Culture is the customerary belief, social group and material trait of
the Hmong religiously or socially. For example, Hmong 18 xeem is
established with certain belief sin mind that it will establish a
standards of practice for religion, marriage, and funeral rite etc. as
well as the education, social, and economic well being of the Hmong.

Religion seems to be the driving force which mold the Hmong culture for
thousands of years, yes?

avang_207@yahoo.com wrote:

According to a dictionary's definition r(eligion is a noun:) a strong
belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.

In these cases kev ua neeb ua yaig, ua khawvkoob, fivyeem, huplig,
paujyeem, pe, teev hawm tej ntsujplig ntawm tej laus uas tuag lawm
xwsli niamtxiv thiab pogyawg lossis pojkoob yawmtxwv. Kev txhaum uas
yuav ua rau yus sab ntsujplig raug mob nkeeg thiab raug yuam, raug ntes
mus kaw, raug dab tsimtxom...etc.

Dhau li yog yus lub homphiaj lossis txoj kev ntshaw tomqab yus tuag
lawm saib yuav mus qhovtwg xwsli cov tseem cojdab kevcai ces muab ntawg
mus rau ntujtsha tebnquab mus hla toj kabntsig dawm kabno. Tuag tag
ces rov los thawjthiab ua neeg duatshiab rau lwmtiam.

yaweh and Nordeng,

these people are not far as you two to understand the difference
between religion and cultural and traditional rituals, and without the
knowledge of understanding and comprehend of the subject matter it is
very hard to convince these nonsense people to understand the purpose
why religion was created to be hated and killed as you stated Yaweh.
as you have to have the wisdom that go beyond normal people to
understand the reason behind it and the purpose it serves. as Nordeng
was saying, all the practices hmong do is cultural and traditional
rituals and none of them is a religion for the hmong people. and, that
is why I told Doc. Pao Oz that we must have or adopt an indoctrination
of the hmong people to be able to unite them because their belief is
never aligned from a group to the next.

to be honest, religion was created to be hated, killed, indoctrinated,
as masters mind and cultivated its believers to act and do as its
intent and manipulation statements and agenda that it seen to be
fitted. and, I agree with you both on this issue.

hmong relgion is nothing more than "laig" to pog/yawg/xeeb techaws/tswv
ntuj tswv teb etc...

when dealing with "laig"....then that makes it a religious act...

any other thing which doens't involve with "laig"....is not relgion

yaweh

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