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Author: zhenzhen Date: Jul 18, 2006 19:27
poj zhen noog thaub (poj) reason:
dude... i asked, why did vaj pov "lose" the war? under your framework
of lazy, i want you to demonstrate how lazy vaj pov lost. got it?
simple enough?
thaub reason teb:
He high tail out of Laos and no one knew about it. By the time anyone
knew about it he was in Thailand. As a leader he should have found a
way to fight for the people. Millions of dollars were pouring into
Laos. He had some stash away. He could use the money to continue the
fight until help came. Instead he fled and thousands die for his
stupidity. He got us into that war in the first place. What a coward.
He had no plan in the event the US pull out. Lazy.
1. He high tail out of Laos and no one knew about it. By the time
anyone knew about it he was in Thailand.
Supposedly, no one knew about the Secret War, hence, 'secret'.
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Author: reasonreason Date: Jul 18, 2006 23:02
> I do not think GVP 'high tailed.' HE WANTED TO STAY AND FIGHT!!! Ask
> anyone. It was influences from ABOVE him that he decided to leave--he
> left reluctantly. You're too naive that a dragon would not continue to
> fight a war he was born to fight. Go research, there's an interview
> with a CIA operative that explains how difficult it was to get "the Meo
> General to leave."
An excuse. A captian never jumps ship. He goes down with it.
> 2. As a leader he should have found a way to fight for the people.
>
> Did GVP not "find" a way to fight for the people (Lao, Hmong, Khmu,
> Mien, etc...) from 1960-1975? If he did not find a way to fight or did
> not desire to protect the soveriegnty of Laos, why, for over a decade,
> did he risk life and limb?
He got paid to do it.
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Jul 18, 2006 23:24
LOL! lawv os lawv es, zuam no kuv ntes tau thaub "reason" no lawm laud!
thaub, kuv puab koj yog leejtwg zoo lawm. koj teb cov lus no xwb ces
kuv yeej paub. hahahaha. thov thiaj laud. txhob las mus hloob npe vim
hloov npe los hloov tsis tau lus siab.
hahahhaa. kuv cov neeb no tsis dog dig nawb.
1. vaj pov fought way before CIA arrived. same thing with hmong. cia
and money was incidental.
2. all soldiers get paid to do it. my brother's in the army, he gets a
check. he gets bonuses for reenlisting, edu benefits, etc... what's
your point?
3/4. arafat received a psuedo deal. LOL! they take your home then offer
you a cage? c'mon. that's a deal? sounds like a swindle.
true indeed, the truth will prevail, and you will be shown a jester in
your theory of lazy. LOL!
jumping ships? seesh.. very tangential statements and unenlightening to
say the least.
the chinese offered help? they must have been 'lazy' huh? since that
'offer' never crystallized.
5.
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Author: reasonreason Date: Jul 18, 2006 23:51
> 1. vaj pov fought way before CIA arrived. same thing with hmong. cia
> and money was incidental.
Look the French loss and left. Yes there may have been some
repurcusions for those who got involved but the community would have be
safe. He got the community involve in a war that was wrong in the
first place.
> 2. all soldiers get paid to do it. my brother's in the army, he gets a
> check. he gets bonuses for reenlisting, edu benefits, etc... what's
> your point?
Leaders don't work for money. It is a benefit of leaderhip. If he does
he is a manager not a leader.
> 3/4. arafat received a psuedo deal. LOL! they take your home then offer
> you a cage? c'mon. that's a deal? sounds like a swindle.
Relative. A piece of a land is a piece of land.
> true indeed, the truth will prevail, and you will be shown a jester in
> your theory of lazy. LOL!
Like I said debate no name calling. If you can't bring facts stop.
> jumping ships? seesh.. very tangential statements and unenlightening to
> say the least.
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Jul 19, 2006 00:17
reason (me post incorrect in other thread),
1. you say gvp only fight for money. yet, you say money is necessary.
so, how do expect a war to fight then? LOL!
point is, oh, sorry, fact is, GVP fought before the secret war. so your
'he fought for money' is a lie.
of course, you ignore your false statement and introduce the french
element.
the war was wrong? ok. i guess we should allow any country to invade us
then.
fact is, it is right to protect your country.
2. some leaders don't work for money. but gvp and gen. colin powel are
soldiers. they are in a leadership positions of their troops. they get
paid. simple to understand, no?
3. piece of land is a piece of land? sure, that's why they're tearing
each others head off.
4. name calling? c'mon. what did i call you? ok ok ok. me stop 'name
calling' because that be da 'lazy' way of debating.
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Author: Hmong-LaoHmong-Lao Date: Jul 19, 2006 07:02
Nice job Zhen!
HL
zhen wrote:
> poj zhen noog thaub (poj) reason:
> dude... i asked, why did vaj pov "lose" the war? under your framework
> of lazy, i want you to demonstrate how lazy vaj pov lost. got it?
> simple enough...
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Author: reasonreason Date: Jul 19, 2006 07:42
zhen wrote:
> reason (me post incorrect in other thread),
> 1. you say gvp only fight for money. yet, you say money is necessary.
> so, how do expect a war to fight then? LOL!
A tool for fighting not to get rich.
> point is, oh, sorry, fact is, GVP fought before the secret war. so your
> 'he fought for money' is a lie.
> of course, you ignore your false statement and introduce the french
> element.
With the French. The Vetnamese and Hmong had no problem until the CIA
came.
> the war was wrong? ok. i guess we should allow any country to invade us
> then.
The Gulf of Tonkin incindent was a fake. It let to the US involvement
in Vietnam. The Vetnamese were fighting for their independence. We
had no right to do that.
> fact is, it is right to protect your country.
We were not protecting our country. We were pawns of the CIA.
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Author: cimxeebcimxeeb Date: Jul 19, 2006 07:56
Zhen,
It's a waist of time to respond to REASON. Reason does not know the
benefits he gets and got from GVP. Soon or later he will be punished
(kaarm will sanong). Reason is naive and knowledgeless of the suffer
and the work gvp gave to hmong people.
I would suggest that reason partnered with DYD and his folks to serve
the commie LPDR as they are now.
reason wrote:
> zhen wrote:
>> reason (me post incorrect in other thread),
>
>> 1. you say gvp only fight for money. yet, you say money is necessary.
>> so, how do expect a war to fight then? LOL!
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Jul 19, 2006 07:57
HL,
his responses to me are getting weaker and weaker. he introduces more
extraneous statements to 'support' his 'lazy' evidence. i am not sure
if it will be any more productive to 'reason' with thaub 'reason.'
this guy be arguing from a operations theory perspective and then
injecting a few misused word here and there. quite interesting
technique.
her lao's one-two chop candidate has arrived.
Hmong-Lao wrote:
> Nice job Zhen!
> HL
>
> zhen wrote:
>> poj zhen noog thaub (poj) reason:
>> dude... i asked, why did vaj pov "lose" the war? under your framework
>> of lazy, i want you to demonstrate...
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Jul 19, 2006 08:00
reason,
lol! are you ever gonna debate me on the issues? c'mon.
please, please, provide me with some strong 'facts' and 'proof'. i
already did plenty here. do you want me to spoon feed you some more?
reason wrote:
> zhen wrote:
>> reason (me post incorrect in other thread),
>
>> 1. you say gvp only fight for money. yet, you say money is necessary.
>> so, how do expect a war to fight then? LOL!
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