Sibtham has fill in a lot already...
Here is just an extract - bits & pieces - from my book "From
Montaintop to cyberspace" on education system in Laos during my time:
The schooling system was based on the French system with 6 years in
primary school (counting backward as 5th grade, 4th, 3rd, 2nd grade
minor, 2nd grade major and First grade – hong thib uno). At the end
of Primary, the student sit for a exam called Certificate or known
simply as “Cert” which is also used as an entrance to High School. By
1954, there was no more than 15 Hmong who had graduated at Cert level
(and those people would be considered by all as high as a Ph D of
today!).
Secondary school consists of 7 years - for Laos (6emeB, 6eme A, 5eme,
4eme, 3eme, Second – 2nd, 1ere, Terminale) known as Lycee. At the end
of 3eme, there is French exam called Brevet (with the exam paper sent
from Mount Pellier, France) and a Lao version called Diplome. At the
end the high school, all sit for the Baccalaureate which is used to
qualify to study in France or elswhere.
Some high schools that provide only the first four years are known as
College (College de Xiengkhouang (1955–1960) [by 1960, there were
around 50 Hmong students who had gone through or were attending
College de Xiengkhuang] later to be relocated and known as College de
Samthong (1968-75), College de Pakse and Khamouane in 1958). After
completing the College, the students went on to attend the Lycee.
All the Lycee offer classes for the entire 7 years of high school.
Before 1955, there is only one Lycee – Lycee de Pavie in Vientiane -
that provide the 7 years program . Subsequently, Lycee de Pavie was
relocated to a new location as be renamed as Lycee de Vientiane. Two
Lycees were were also set up in Savannakhet (1955) and Luangprabang in
1958, bringing the total to three Lycees in 1960 and 3 Colleges".
As far as the subject is concern, the curriculum has three broad area
- Lettre (Literature), Math and Art. Most people would choose woud be
in the Art & Math section - as far as I know, only Dr Gary Yia Lee
(Lee Yia) was in the Lettre section and there was a talk of the town
that he memorised the entire Petit Larouse! (small French dictionary).
Study at Lycee is tough - getting admitted is very competitive but
once you got into Lycee or College, it is no easy ride. The study is
much tougher than the Britsish/Australia system or 2-3 times more
tougher than the American system. Passing the Baccalaureate (Bac) is
certainly a achievement that many would only dream off. Many Hmong in
french do not even get as far as the Bac! Sibtham can tell you
more....
By 1960, just considered some of these Hmong who are the highest
achievers in Laos: Touby Lyfoung finished 3eme, Tougeu (Bac – being
the highest educated Hmong for his time.), Toulia (Cert) and Lo Foung
(Cert) - he was the highest educated Hmong in the Pathet Lao side
during that early period.
Lis Qhuas Lyfoung – Bac 1ere partie, Lis Choj – Diplome, Lis Vaj –
Diplome).
Moua Geu Mouanoutoua – Cert, Moua Bee Chia Sa – 3me, Tou Pao Ly – 2nd
but no Brevet or Diplome;
Chia Xa Ly and Ly Blong Lynhiavue – pedagogie to teach 6th grade.
Pao
On Jun 19, 3:41 pm, sibtham2 hotmail.com> wrote:
> sorry, correction.
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> math subject was from 2003 (not 1991).
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> On Jun 18, 9:22 pm, sibtham2 hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> Zhen, Coming from a French education system I might be able to fill in
>> some questions.
>> 1.The Lycee you make reference to is in Vientiane. Of course I was
>> just a kid and would not know its operation but it is safe to assume
>> that the class offered were from 6ieme to TERMINALE (0R GRADE 6 TO
>> 12). Typically in France a Lycee usually services students from 2nd,
>> 1rst and Terminale. Baccalaureat is the exit exam. It is no freebee.
>> Pass or fail are the only two outcomes. Prior academic record is
>> ignored.
>> 2. Dr Pao and others may be able to help on this selection criteria
>> 3. French (dissertation/literature and philosophy) was one of the
>> requirement. Of course Lao students would be slightly in a
>> disadvantage position. I am sure they were hanging there as well...
>> 12. I asked the question before but no Hmong students answered if
>> anyone ever took the Baccalaureat exam in Vientiane. The successful
>> ones seemed to pursuit their study in france, Austarlia or USA before
>> they got their Bac in Laos. Some were close to take the exam...
>> For Mathematic the teaching was pretty standard. In the mid 80, I
>> actually revised the mathematic subject for my preparation. If memory
>> serves me correctly I worked on 1972 and 1973 subjects ( Archive for
>> Laos). I am sure these subject are still in record but somehow could
>> not located them on line. In my personal opinion subject for students
>> outside of France are slightly easier (perhaps due to the language
>> barrier!). I quickly review modern subjects and they are also a litle
>> bit more complex compared to the 80 and 70.
>> The following link will give you an idea of the Math exam. This one is
>> for South East Asia students in 1991. It is for Economic and Social
>> major and it is easier. Technology major would be more difficult and
>> science major would be the most difficult.
>> -STUDY OF A FUNCTION
>> -PROBABILITY
>> -STATISTIC
>> - Exp, Log and Integral
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>> Seeing this level of Mathematic I personally admired all the brothers
>> who came before us given the very short time of our quest for
>> education.
>> Hope this help a little bit.
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>> I remembered seeing the officials broke the seal in the yellow
>> envelops and started passing the test materials to the students. It
>> wasn't so difficult but the whole process was intimidating. People
>> life changed from this point.
>> No name will be printed on any pages. Only a number will ID the
>> student TO PREVENT FRAUD.
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>> Sibtham
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>> On Jun 18, 12:58 am, zhen gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> phooj ywg yajyuam thiab nej coob leej s/d,
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>>> thov nej pab qhia kuv me me txog keeb kwm (history) lycee. kuv xav
>>> paub,
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>>> 1. nyob lycee, muaj kev kawm saib npaum li cas? thov nej muab piv rau
>>> amekas qhov system kawm ntawv (i.e. elementary, middle, high schools).
>>> 2. leej twg thiaj li tau mus kawm ntawv nyob lycee xwb? lawv puas muaj
>>> tej yam li koj yuav tau sib xeem (apply)? tus nqi kawm ntawv ib xyoo
>>> yog raug pes tsawg (tuition)?
>>> 3. nej kawm ntawv dab tsi tiag tiag xwb (subjects)? nej kawm ntawv siv
>>> lus nplog, nyab laj, fab kis, los lwm yam (language of instruction)?
>>> 4. nej cov qhia ntawv (teacher, nai khu), yog neeg dab tsi? puas muaj
>>> hmoob qhia ntawv thiab?
>>> 5. cov neeg kawm ntawv nrog nej yog hmoob xwb xwb li los muaj lwm haiv
>>> neeg tuaj kawm thiab? (studentry composition).
>>> 6. thaum nej kawm, puas nyuaj puas yooj yim (competitiveness)? puas
>>> zoo li teb chaws amekas es muaj kev sib xeem sib tw kom muaj #1
>>> #2....?
>>> 7. nej cov hmoob mus kawm kawm tim tso siab tias kawm tag yuav los ua
>>> dab tsi? puas yog nej kawm los ua nom, nrhiav hauj lwm, mus kawm ntxiv
>>> rau lwm lus teb chaws, etc...?
>>> 8. nej cov hmoob es kawm tim lycee kawm tag lawm, muaj pes tsawg leej
>>> ho mus kawm siab dua? pes tsawg tus physicians, lawyers, politicians,
>>> government employees, officials, etc...?
>>> 9. nyob tim los tsuas, yog tau mus kawm lycee, qhov no puas nto moo
>>> tshaj mus kawm lwm qhov chaws?
>>> 10. yog ib tug neeg xav kawm ntawv, lycee puas yog tib qhov chaws luag
>>> pub rau hmoob mus kawm xwb? hmoob ho puas mus kawm lwm qhov chaws es
>>> piv tau lycee thiab?
>>> 11. hauv nej tsev neeg, puas yog 1 tsev thiaj tso 1 tug mus kawm xwb,
>>> los yog tsev neeg twg muaj nyiaj ces xa tau me nyuam ntau zog mus
>>> kawm?
>>> 12. hais txog 'leb' (mathematics), nej kawm txog qhov twg? addition,
>>> subtraction, multiplication, division? nej puas kawm txog algebra,
>>> geometry, trignometry? puas muaj kev kawm txog calculus thiab?
>>> 13. hais txog science, nej puas muaj kev kawm txog biology, chemistry,
>>> physics?
>>> 14. hais txog kev ua ib tug me nyuam kawm ntawv (student), nej puas
>>> raug kev txom nyem? thaum nej kawm ntawv es nej tshaib plab, nej ua li
>>> cas nrhiav noj haus? nej pw li cas? lawv puas muaj chaws rau nej nyob
>>> pw + saib xyuas ntawv?
>>> 15. nej kawm ntawv tag lawm, thaum nej rov qab los tsev, nej niam nej
>>> txiv puas tos tos nej thiab? lawv puas tos + tso siab nej kawm tag
>>> lawm, yuav tau lub zoo neej ua?
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>>> kuv cov lus noog tseem muaj ntau ntau ntxiv thiab. tiam si, thov nej
>>> ib tug dhau ib tug ho pab qhia nej cov experience me me rau kuv thiab.
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>>> ua tsaug ntau ntau.