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Author: ThornspearThornspear Date: Feb 23, 2008 07:20
"In both Laos and Australia, bigamy is a crime. It is a crime because
it violates basic human rights in marriage. It appears that you have
no qualm violating these basic human rights. What do you think the
international community ought to do to protect the basic human rights
of women? If you feel that the human rights of women are not worth
protecting, then what would you think the international community
ought to take your position on the rights of Hmong in the jungle? In
my view, a person who takes on such issue as Hmong in the jungle ought
to have as prerequisite moral fortitude and forthrightness. So far
Laos and the internal community have paid no heed to the cause of
Hmong in the jungle because the people who raise the issue are
themselves violators of human rights. Teev"
Dr Pao, of all the posts huv nuav kuv pum tas Teev dlaim post nuav yog
ib dlaim relevant heev rua koj mas koj yuav tsum tau teb rua peb ib
zej tsoom tau nov, xav nov lug ntawm koj tug kws yog peb Moob ib tug
tub txawg hab tub yog ib tug set tau good role model to the young hab
sa txuj hlaab doctor degree mas xav kuas koj cas le teb tsis txhob
bypass cov lug nuav. Ntseeg tas koj yuav tawm plawg tuaj teb rua peb
nov.
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Author: laoskinglaosking Date: Feb 23, 2008 07:38
On Feb 23, 9:20 am, Thornsp...@ yahoo.com wrote: > "In both Laos and Australia, bigamy is a crime. It is a crime because
> it violates basic human rights in marriage. It appears that you have
> no qualm violating these basic human rights. What do you think the
> international community ought to do to protect the basic human rights
> of women? If you feel that the human rights of women are not worth
> protecting, then what would you think the international community
> ought to take your position on the rights of Hmong in the jungle? In
> my view, a person who takes on such issue as Hmong in the jungle ought
> to have as prerequisite moral fortitude and forthrightness. So far
> Laos and the internal community have paid no heed to the cause of
> Hmong in the jungle because the people who raise the issue are
> themselves violators of human rights. Teev"
>
> Dr Pao, of all the posts huv nuav kuv pum tas Teev dlaim post nuav yog
> ib dlaim relevant heev rua koj mas koj yuav tsum tau teb rua peb ib
> zej tsoom tau nov, xav nov lug ntawm koj tug kws yog peb Moob ib tug
> tub txawg hab tub yog ib tug set tau good role model to the young hab
> sa txuj hlaab doctor degree mas xav kuas koj cas le teb tsis txhob
> bypass cov lug nuav. Ntseeg tas koj yuav tawm plawg tuaj teb rua peb ...
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Author: TswvYimTswvYim Date: Feb 23, 2008 08:40
wowowow..i guess is the king. get lost flat head dumb ass. i don't even
know why i waste my time with this post.
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Author: ctjctj Date: Feb 23, 2008 09:18
Thorn,
First of all, let me clarify that I don’t know Dr. Pao’s personal
life. To the best of my knowledge, we have never met.
Secondly, I have noticed that you have consistently attacked Dr. Pao on
personal level in this forum; your motives, whether personal or political
is unclear.
Third, before you qualify yourself as the moral police, what have you done
to prevent the “violation of basic human rights in marriage”? Please
share with us?
Lastly, if you espouse another piece of western morality, I will puke.
Let me tell you a little story about the US and bigamy.
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Author: ZabDagZabDag Date: Feb 23, 2008 10:26
On Feb 23, 9:20�am, Thornsp...@ yahoo.com wrote: > "In both Laos and Australia, bigamy is a crime. It is a crime because
> it violates basic human rights in marriage. It appears that you have
> no qualm violating these basic human rights. What do you think the
> international community ought to do to protect the basic human rights
> of women? If you feel that the human rights of women are not worth
> protecting, then what would you think the international community
> ought to take your position on the rights of Hmong in the jungle? In
> my view, a person who takes on such issue as Hmong in the jungle ought
> to have as prerequisite moral fortitude and forthrightness. So far
> Laos and the internal community have paid no heed to the cause of
> Hmong in the jungle because the people who raise the issue are
> themselves violators of human rights. Teev"
>
> Dr Pao, of all the posts huv nuav kuv pum tas Teev dlaim post nuav yog
> ib dlaim relevant heev rua koj mas koj yuav tsum tau teb rua peb ib
> zej tsoom tau nov, xav nov lug ntawm koj tug kws yog peb Moob ib tug
> tub txawg hab tub yog ib tug set tau good role model to the young hab
> sa txuj hlaab doctor degree mas xav kuas koj cas le teb tsis txhob
> bypass cov lug nuav. Ntseeg tas koj yuav tawm plawg tuaj teb rua peb ...
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Author: teevlisteevlis Date: Feb 24, 2008 08:49
Chong,
Are you claiming that VP had NINE wives and his subordinates each had
quite a few because of the CIA?
Did the CIA go around and make people have multiple wives?
If your claim is true, then it is a testimony to the incompetence of
Hmong leaders, VP in particular. In short, the CIA spit out garbage
and Hmong leaders bought it.
It was the job of the CIA to do whatever was good for America. It was
the job of Hmong leaders, specifically VP, to do whatever was good for
Hmong and Laos. Your claim thus demonstrates that VP and his Hmong
subordinates were derelict of their duties and sold Hmong to the CIA.
Since they made themselves hired guns for the CIA to do dirty works,
what do you think the CIA should do with them when they were no longer
useful: The CIA would dump them into the pit, of course.
Remember, the CIA was not and is not an angel organization. Its
mandate is to do the dirtiest job for America, supposedly in your and
my benefits now as we are Americans.
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Author: ctjctj Date: Feb 24, 2008 10:15
Teev,
Your animosity towards VP clouds your ability to reason. On this ground
alone I am reluctant to engage in a pissing match with you.
For example, how did you conclude that I may have insinuated that
“VP’s nine wives were the result of the CIA?”
My point was that the CIA took advantage of the Hmong’s culturally
accepted polygamy system to unite the clans for their own selfish needs.
Once no longer needed, they tossed the baby out with the bath water.
Thus, hypocrites have no room to wiggle.
When you’re willing to debate with facts and not emotions then I will
give you the time.
Chong
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Author: tseemyeejtseemyeej Date: Feb 24, 2008 11:27
All,
On Feb 23, 9:18 am, "ctj" nospam.com> wrote:> Let me tell you a little story about the US and bigamy.
> By 1967 the Secret War had taken a toll on the Hmong. Fewer clan leaders
> were willing to send their sons to war. Faced with this dilemma, the CIA
> implemented and funded a soldier recruitment program. The plan was to
> encourage Hmong officers to take second and third wives from distant
> villages. Taking advantage of Hmong clan mentality, this act was intended
> to unify the Hmong through marriage. The village leaders then were giving
> the bogus title of "Nia Kong" and received a monthly stipends from the
> CIA. The only caveat was they had to send their sons to war. I will reveal
> more details later.
Before the Americans, Hmong people have already practiced polygamy to
show sign of richesse. Therefore, ctj statement saying that ploygamy
was the CIA plan may not be quite right. Somehow, with the abundant
CIA fund, most of hmong soldiers took the advantage of it so they can
imitate their leader as a sign of wealth.
Maybe our dr. pao is still having that sign of wealth in his mind, who
knows?
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Feb 24, 2008 12:26
> Before the Americans, Hmong people have already practiced polygamy to
> show sign of richesse.
your father also practiced polygamy, no?
> Therefore, ctj statement saying that ploygamy
> was the CIA plan may not be quite right.
not even close. CTJ is praised by many to be a 'true hmong scholar',
and yet, this is the quality of his work. CTJ, go after the truth.
> Maybe our dr. pao is still having that sign of wealth in his mind, who
> knows?
ne, iv om tsuag ntshav pim lawm thiab pob. noob dev tsoob phaj txawb.
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Feb 24, 2008 12:30
> So far
> Laos and the internal community have paid no heed to the cause of
> Hmong in the jungle because the people who raise the issue are
> themselves violators of human rights. Teev"
so, is teev the idiot saying that LPDR will only take heed to someone
on morally higher grounds? who could this person be? if not teev
himself? how come, if teev is not a violator of human rights, does
LPDR not listen to him? how come no hmong freedom fighter listen to
him? how come no person, other than his this duplicate and fabricated
thugs such as billy xiong, only come out to say one-liners, yeah, way
to go homie?
point is, LPDR will continue to kill because they have their own moral
compass, which is to slaughter democracy and freedom so they can
pocket the crumbs from welfare programs of the international
community.
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