http://youtube.com/watch?v=ir0IBZmsGTo

I did not make this video, please do not ask me about it for I do not
know. I am not a regular Soc.Culture.Hmong user so I will most likely
not reply to any comments here. I do encourage you to contact the
Youtube author if you have any comments or questions.

Thank you and have a great day.

i do not know the writing system. i have heard of it. however, to
conclude that this is an ancient hmong writing system is too much for
me to swallow. for me, it is reasonable to assume that someone
"created" the writing system by taking out existing pajntaub symbols
and apply them as "alphabets."

however, mong legends do tell of such things...muab txuj ci teev cia
rau tsoog tsho....etc..

yaweh

tsuj,

the inventors of the system may be at fault for calling/promoting it
as the 'ancient hmong writing system.' the writing system is not
ancient, but the symbols/alphabets are (may be) ancient. in fact, the
writing system was created during the refugee years (1970's),
according to the ndx himself. and you are right, according to ndx, for
the most part, the symbols/alphabets were taken directly from paj
ntaub; this is one of the basis for promoting the writing system.

i think this writing system is unique. when hmong people say, 'kawm
ntaub kawm ntawv,' only this system applies. the other systems such as
RPA (tnz and avang's ntawv thooj ntuj) and Pahawh do not apply. cov no
muaj ntawv tsis muaj ntaub.

either way, RPA, Pahawh, and this one, are all equal. they all compose
the hmong word from the C+V+T (the order is different from Pahawh)
parts.

To claim it is ancient is hilarious. the writing is not alphabetic
either. As I know it is the writing of Sooblwj, the hmoob tsev kheej
(chaofa)

purchased few copies...come and take a look at it when you all
can...most of them are at the Center for Hmong Studies/Hmong
Archives...

Nom Dawb Xyooj tseem tab tom muab kho ntxiv tso nws mam tuaj qhia peb
sawv daws sau no...

zhen, txawj muab koob meej rau cov tsim tus ntawv RPA thiab
mas...anthony wb ob txiv tub yob tub txib xwb nawb...peb cov kwv tij
Hmoob nyob rau Roob Nyuj Qus, Luang Prabang thiab cov nyob rau Huam
Pha nrog rau Txiv Plig Nyiaj Pov (Father Yves Bertrais), Dr. Lindwood
Barney & Dr. William Smalley lawv thiaj yog cov tsim tsa cov ntaub
ntawv Hmoob Thoob Ntuj (Teb) no...

On May 9, 11:26 am, zhen gmail.com> wrote:

tnv,

auv? RPA muaj 'ntaub' lov? nej cov 'ntaub' no nyob qhov twg? kuv puab
tias nej muaj ntawv los mas.

don't try to claim more than what is of RPA that it is 'ntaub ntawv'
when it is only 'ntawv' and only 'ntawv hmoob' and not 'hmoob ntawv'.

part of this thread centers of 'claims' (i.e. the claim of this and
that, and in particular, the claim of being an ancient hmong writing
system). ntau ntau tus twb 'cem' los sis 'thuam' tias NDX cov
alphabets no tsis yog 'ancient hmong writing system.' are you sure
you want to misrepresent and make claims that RPA is 'ntaub' as well
as 'ntawv'?

kuv muaj tsis tau 'koob meej' rau RPA, vim tias cov inventors twb tsim
koob meej RPA lawm. (do you even know what koob meej means?). tiam si,
kuv paub/nco txog txiaj ntsig RPA los mas.

On May 9, 9:12 pm, Tzianeng Vang gmail.com> wrote:

All,

This so called "ancient" writing and Phajhauj are both genuine and
authentic. The difference is that in Phajhauj, the vowel comes before
the consonent (i.e. a+x = xa) whereas this "ancient" writing it is
consistent with universal language which the vowel comes after the
consonent (i.e. x+a = xa). I for one have no problem with either one,
only if it becomes official and teach in schools.

This isn't Shong Lue Yang's writing system, get your facts straight.
The one you speak of can be found here: http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hmong.htm

As for this being ancient, we don't know yet, the topic title is based
off of the Youtube title. zhen is correct to say that the characters
themselves may be ancient but the language itself, that would require
more research from an expert in linguistics and the Hmong spoken
language. However, at least from my understanding Nom Dawb Xyooj says
it is the written language from our fallen kingdom. And if you need to
argue with me about Hmong even ever having a kingdom then don't waste
my time because I won't reply to idiots.

On May 9, 11:48 am, Zoo hotmail.com> wrote:

zhen,

From my understanding ndx didn't say it was put together during the
70s, but rather it was rediscovered during the 70s.

On May 9, 11:26 am, zhen gmail.com> wrote:

I hope everyone understands that when Nom Dawb says kho he doesn't
mean fix the writing system, but the materials needed to teach others
about the writing system. I bring this up because someone else has
brought forth the question before.

On May 9, 8:12 pm, Tzianeng Vang gmail.com> wrote: