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Author: sibtham2
Date: Feb 24, 2008 16:16

>
> Whether you say Yes or NO, that's your conscious principle. I still
> don't agree to the result of sacrificing 50k for only 100k.
>
Sacrificing something for another thing is a willful act and the
presumption
is that one know already the outcome bad or good. Fighting for a
cause is
also a willful act but the presumption is that one can only hope for
the better
outcome. There is nuance in this concept yet simple but somehow
difficult for
many to grasp. It shouldn't be repeated so many times!
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Re: Adin accuse Hmong as mercenaries         


Author: sibtham2
Date: Feb 24, 2008 16:45

Teev,

You seem to make a lot assumption about others and it is only fair
that we made the same assumption about you. right?
You are not a serious Hmong person who have genuine intention to find
out what went wrong with our Hmong struggle and what lesson we could
have learned. The readership in SCH is more sophisticated that you
think. You have been a distortionist before here in SCH and you will
be continue to be one again. You have created your twin Billy Xiong to
blow your own horns and you think that you can fool us?
Everything about VP is already out there and go ahead invite all your
Billy Xiong twins to come out and help you. Your questions were not
stated to seek the truth but to stage your witch hunting cession. Go
ahead answer them. Sibtham

...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Sibtham,
>
> I have said so that each of us had to struggle to be where and what we
> are today. Each of us might have taken a different path to this point
> in time and only through...
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Author: zhen
Date: Feb 24, 2008 18:34

sibtham2,

where specifically did a-idiot say hmong were mercenary during the
Secret War?

one thing you all fail to understand is that hmong were going to have
to choose sides during the secret war, whether they liked it or not,
whether they believed it or not. can you blame GVP anymore for...
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Author: sibtham2
Date: Feb 27, 2008 07:31

On Feb 24, 6:34 pm, zhen gmail.com> wrote:
> sibtham2,
>

Zhen I am sure that Adin will explain to us.
> where specifically did a-idiot say hmong were mercenary during the
> Secret War?
>

You are just couple slides ahead!!!
The post was specifically addressed to Adin so yes it is limited but
you just save me some typing.
I'd like to know your view on this:
I am not so sure if the communist Hmong fought on behalf of communism
or fight against Hmong leadership who put them on the run.
> one thing you all fail to understand is that hmong were going to have
> to choose sides during the secret war, whether they liked it or not,
> whether they believed it or not. can you blame GVP anymore...
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Author: tseemyeej
Date: Feb 27, 2008 08:55

Sibtham2,

On Feb 24, 4:16 pm, sibtham2 hotmail.com> wrote:
> 1959 when he secretly worked with General Phoumi and captured the pro
> communist General Amkra Sukavong who landed in Xienghkoung and was
> appointed to take the commander post of MRII. VP just didn't know that
You are funny, I never herd about Gen. Amkha (Not Amkra) being a pro
communist... A good scholar should look at both side of the coin
before having a comment.

TseemYeej.
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Author: adindee
Date: Feb 27, 2008 10:27

Sibtham,

Here are a couple definitions of the term “mercenary”.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/mercenary
mercenary NOUN:
pl. mer�ce�nar�ies
1. One who serves or works merely for monetary gain; a hireling.
2. A professional soldier hired for service in a foreign army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenary
A mercenary is a person who takes part in an armed conflict who is not
a national of a Party to the conflict and "is motivated to take part
in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in
fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict,
material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid
to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of
that Party".[1][2]
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Author: All4One
Date: Feb 27, 2008 18:39

Regardless whether VP has any brain or not.... fact of the matter is
VP's decision to thrust his people into the war gave people like you
and me the opportunity we could only dream of achieving in 200 years
from now. Yes, lets reflects the past and learn from our mistakes so
that we can live a better future. I could never feel more proud than
to be a product of VP's decision. Hmong as a whole has nothing to
regret for what had happened 30+ years ago...if anything, Hmong should
feel fortunate to be where we are today. In time of war, people make
decision based on circumstances that may or may not be in their full
control as in the case of the secret war. Yes, lives have lost,
family separated ocean apart as a result of VP's decision to involved
his people in the war.... However, can we said...
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Author: dony
Date: Feb 27, 2008 21:46

On Feb 27, 6:39 pm, All4One yahoo.com> wrote:
> Regardless whether VP has any brain or not.... fact of the matter is
> VP's decision to thrust his people into the war gave people like you
> and me the opportunity we could only dream of achieving in 200 years
> from now.  Yes, lets reflects the past and learn from our mistakes so
> that we can live a better future.  I could never feel more proud than
> to be a product of VP's decision.  Hmong as a whole has nothing to
> regret for what had happened 30+ years ago...if anything, Hmong should
> feel fortunate to be where we are today. In time of war, people make
> decision based on circumstances that may or may not be in their full
> control as in the case of the secret war.  Yes, lives have lost,
> family separated ocean apart as a result of VP's decision to involved
> his people in the war.... However, can we said we LOST everything? I
> think all of you would agree that we WIN everything, but the war. Rest
> assures the fight is NOT over it's just begun. Lets build our arsenal
> of human resources first...
>
> jim
>
> On Feb 27, 12:27 pm, adin...@yahoo.com wrote: ...
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Author: adindee
Date: Feb 28, 2008 08:28

On Feb 27, 9:39 pm, All4One yahoo.com> wrote:
> Regardless whether VP has any brain or not.... fact of the matter is
> VP's decision to thrust his people into the war gave people like you
> and me the opportunity we could only dream of achieving in 200 years
> from now.  Yes, lets reflects the past and learn from our mistakes so
> that we can live a better future.  I could never feel more proud than
> to be a product of VP's decision.  Hmong as a whole has nothing to
> regret for what had happened 30+ years ago...if anything, Hmong should
> feel fortunate to be where we are today. In time of war, people make
> decision based on circumstances that may or may not be in their full
> control as in the case of the secret war.  Yes, lives have lost,
> family separated ocean apart as a result of VP's decision to involved
> his people in the war.... However, can we said we LOST everything? I
> think all of you would agree that we WIN everything, but the war. Rest
> assures the fight is NOT over it's just begun. Lets build our arsenal
> of human resources first...
>
> jim
>
> On Feb 27, 12:27 pm, adin...@yahoo.com wrote: ...
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Author: All4One
Date: Feb 28, 2008 12:55

True, loves one died as a result of VP's decision...but was the
decision his alone to make? What would you have done if you were in
VP's shoes? How would you address the situation at the time? The
secret war wasn't picked by VP or the Hmong...the war picked VP and
the Hmong people. It was our faith to be part of this war. In life,
even powerful people make mistakes and only through their mistakes
they would learn to make better decision. When you are small and
easily stepped on by bigger and more powerful nations...you will have
no choice but to make a decision that you know would be in the best
interest of your people no matter what the cost. And I believe VP did
what he thought was in the best interest of Hmong from his position.
Remember...Hmong leaders at the time wasn't educated enough to fully
participate in the international political arena, let alone the war.
There was and still NO solid idea what Hmong want as a national goal?
Does Hmong have a "national goal" that Hmong seek before and after the
war? If so, what is it? Hmong were so divided (as we are today) and
for this reason Hmong were used in all fronts from the top down. SAD!
So instead of bringing the past to rehash and divide us, let’s bring
the past to UNITE us for a common goal and that is to put our energy
together and focus on the future. Let’s build our human resources on ...
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