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Author: PaoPao Date: Dec 17, 2007 17:23
On Dec 18, 7:32 am, vannasay hotmail.com> wrote:
> There're no shortage of publications about America's forgotten
> soldiers, even though some were done with earnest humanitarian concern
> to keep the story of these forgotten people alive for the world to
> learn about, but others were simply soup up with a few fictitious
> stories on attempt to make a few extra bucks for their own pockets,
> while unabashedly claiming often to be Hmong's best friend. Of course,
> any avid readers with a sense of flair can make the distinction
> between the well-intended writer and the work of a charlatan.
>
> Without endorsing any notion of winner or loser, but I'm tempting
> purely on a human toll, I wonder how these people including those
> women and children can endure such total isolation for so long without
> running into some kind of circular victimization symptom, and the term
> used for America's forgotten soldiers seems to fit into the beginning
> of this suffering pattern from which being America's forgotten
> soldiers is not a good credit anymoe, but to fall prey to the
> victimization of witch hunt or mistrust by this communiste government,
> then also victim of their own unconditional commitment to a long lost
> cause which had led them back to the square one of this endless ...
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Author: ThornspearThornspear Date: Dec 17, 2007 20:01
Dr Pao, lpd hold the handle and remnants hmong jungle and Hmong
Meliskas hold hte blade only if lpd dumb it will turn around to plead
guilty and allow the international handcuff its hand. The information
of lpd silently kill hte surrenders only you say I say rumor, in fact
only rumor from the neohom people no solid evidence how will the
international rule lpd a guilty party and you know the difinition of
rumor means do you.
if special international committee set to look over the rebels, it
show lpd incapable of handling its own internal problem, worse than
that it show the international that lpd has no credibility, why would
lpd consider of tighting its own neck.
allowing the rebels go to third countries, who will take them and if
any country take them can they take all hmong in laos and else where,
a good example is those in dd now, the only solution to end the
problem is granting the rebel a real amnesty or allow time for nature
to exterminate the issue.
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Author: Phi Dung MoPhi Dung Mo Date: Dec 17, 2007 20:23
Dr. Pao,
I believe your understanding of recent US changes in the determination
of terrorist categories under US legislation is flawed. Still some
naturalized Hmong within the US are unable to obtain US citizenship, they
are still labelled as terrorists by this US legislation. So those still in
the Laos jungle surely could not elude the terrorist title and therefore
would be exempted from any US assistance.
Phi Dung Mo
"Pao" dex.hmoob.net> wrote in message
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> (3) For the hardcore group/the leaders, Laos will need the
> participation...
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Author: PaoPao Date: Dec 17, 2007 21:16
On Dec 18, 3:23 pm, "Phi Dung Mo" drivelauto.com> wrote:
> Dr. Pao,
> I believe your understanding of recent US changes in the determination
> of terrorist categories under US legislation is flawed. Still some
> naturalized Hmong within the US are unable to obtain US citizenship, they
> are still labelled as terrorists by this US legislation. So those still in
> the Laos jungle surely could not elude the terrorist title and therefore
> would be exempted from any US assistance.
>
> Phi Dung Mo
>
> "Pao" dex.hmoob.net> wrote in message
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> news:0dab2533-e8d9-4eaa-ac71-ec9685371084@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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>> (3) For the hardcore group/the leaders, Laos will need the
>> participation of the
>> international communities to solve the issue. Solutions would include ...
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Author: PaoPao Date: Dec 17, 2007 22:14
On Dec 18, 3:01 pm, Thornsp...@ yahoo.com wrote:
> Dr Pao, lpd hold the handle and remnants hmong jungle and Hmong
> Meliskas hold hte blade only if lpd dumb it will turn around to plead
> guilty and allow the international handcuff its hand. The information
> of lpd silently kill hte surrenders only you say I say rumor, in fact
> only rumor from the neohom people no solid evidence how will the
> international rule lpd a guilty party and you know the difinition of
> rumor means do you.
>
> if special international committee set to look over the rebels, it
> show lpd incapable of handling its own internal problem, worse than
> that it show the international that lpd has no credibility, why would
> lpd consider of tighting its own neck.
>
> allowing the rebels go to third countries, who will take...
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Dec 17, 2007 22:58
phi dung mo,
the usa does not understand or chooses not to understand what role
hmong people played in the secret war. as quoted by many news
articles, hmong are interpreted to be 'terrorists' because of
'material...
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Author: Phi Dung MoPhi Dung Mo Date: Dec 18, 2007 01:07
Dr. Pao,
No you need to re-read both your post and mine more carefully. Your
proposal's 3rd point specifically names "hardcore group/the leaders". You
seem to indicate that the existing US legislation opened doors for those
"hardcore group/the leaders". So is it really your belief that those
"hardcore group/the leaders" would not be classified as terorists under the
present US legislation? I would guarantee you that not one of them would
pass muster against the legislation, just think about it. Smarten up Dr.
Pao, you specifically described the category of people and then criticize me
for addressing your prior comments specifically as you wrote them. Tsk, tsk.
Phi Dung Mo
"Pao" dex.hmoob.net> wrote in message
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> Phi Dung Mo,
>
> If you read my post carefully, I have express myself as...
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Author: Phi Dung MoPhi Dung Mo Date: Dec 18, 2007 01:24
Zhen,
You don't need to lecture me on the dilemna of the current legislation.
A primary school graduate can see that it is flawed. The better issue is,
why can the USA not correct it suitably thus far? I think some very smart
people wrote the law and they cornered themselves too well without fully
considering the impact of their wording under all possible circumstances.
That is why it is obviously not very easily fixed without effectively
watering it down to a point where it becomes ineffective against those
people it originally was meant to target.
My post was merely pointing out the obvious flaw in Dr. Pao's 3rd
proposal because he specifically targetted that portion of the proposal at
the "hardcore group/the leaders". It is my point or contention that those
"hardcore group/the leaders" will never get past the legislation because
they have carried on their activities long past the period that could have
possibly been interpretted as supplying aid to or fighting on behalf of the
USA.
Phi Dung Mo
"zhen" gmail.com> wrote in message
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> phi dung mo,
>
> the usa does not understand or chooses not to understand what...
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Author: Born2beHmongBorn2beHmong Date: Dec 18, 2007 06:51
On Dec 18, 3:24 am, "Phi Dung Mo" drivelauto.com> wrote:
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> That is the true hypocrisy of the American way! American foreign policy at
> it's realistic realization. How about the fact that right now the US is
> actively supplying shelter and aid to terrorists in northern Iraq! They are
> aiding and abetting the Kurds in northern Iraq while those Kurds carry out
> murderous terrorist raids across the border into Turkey. The US is
> sheltering and aiding terrorists, hypocrisy at it's worst.-
I agree with you on this point as that this is the worst in american,
as they were sheltering and aiding the Kurds at the same time talking
against others.
again, all i would love to see if to have the LPRD eases her tension
and welcoming those people back into the main stream--so the next
generation is being better and productive citizens. it is time for us
to come together and forget and forgive of the past--even i had lived
through those years...i already forgotten the hatred...but i'm not
sure if the LPRD would too. it's very hard to be trust because the
technique and reeducation camp that they had carried in their hearts
and minds.
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Author: PaoPao Date: Dec 18, 2007 07:24
On Dec 18, 8:24 pm, "Phi Dung Mo" drivelauto.com> wrote:
> Zhen,
> You don't need to lecture me on the dilemna of the current legislation.
> A primary school graduate can see that it is flawed. The better issue is,
> why can the USA not correct it suitably thus far? I think some very smart
> people wrote the law and they cornered themselves too well without fully
> considering the impact of their wording under all possible circumstances.
> That is why it is obviously not very easily fixed without effectively
> watering it down to a point where it becomes ineffective against those
> people it originally was meant to target.
>
> My post was merely pointing out the obvious flaw in Dr. Pao's 3rd
> proposal because he specifically targetted that portion of the proposal at
> the "hardcore group/the leaders". It is my point or contention that those
> "hardcore group/the leaders" will never get past the legislation because
> they have carried on their activities long past the period that could have
> possibly been interpretted as supplying aid to or fighting on behalf of the
> USA.
>
> Phi Dung Mo ...
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