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Author: kwvtijkwvtij Date: Mar 17, 2008 08:50
nyob rau hauv twin cities minneapolis thiab st. paul hmoob kam muaj 7
lub tsev kawm ntawv, hmoob charter schools diam. raws li hais ntawm
nyob rau hmong today paper, cov me nyuam hmoob kawm ntawv nyob rau
hmoob cov charter schools no txoj kev kawm poob nqis heev lis, way
below the average of the state level.
data in 2007 are shown below.
1. hmong academy charter school - 18%% proficient in math and 22%% in
reading
2. hope charter school - 45%% proficient in math and 26%% in reading
3. new millennium - 54 %% proficient in math and 23%% in reading
4. prairie seeds charter school - 50%% proficient in math and 16%% in
reading
the average percentage in the state of minnesota is 61%% proficient in
math and 68%% in reading.
no data available from the other 3, long tieng, community school of
excellence and noble academy. there is at least another hmong charter
school to be open in the fall of 2008 and some more coming soon.
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Mar 17, 2008 09:40
kwv,
> 1. why are we hmong segregating ourselves from the mainstream?
it's not we hmong. it's some of the hmong.
> 2. hmong students in these charter schools scores are way below the
> state average line
so? do the students have a choice (with their parents) to select/
attend another school? if it's the student, AND the student wants more
help, ask the teacher to spend more time with the student. if it's the
teacher/school, get a new teacher/school.
> 3. what are our hmong educators and parents going to do about it?
they're just going to do what they want to get the paychecks rolling
in. unfortunately, no one knows what's going on or why those
statistics are showing up. if you want to get to the root, form a
research group to investigate and propose solutions. i doubt there
will be interest in funding for such an effort, as there is probably
insufficient funding as it is for these schools as they are.
oh, and when you get someone else, i.e. consultants, to do the
assessment, you can put blames on people and processes without
personally doing it yourself.
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Author: ctjctj Date: Mar 17, 2008 09:52
There are lies, damn lies, and then there statistics. Although I don't
know much about the Hmong Academy, I believe that the test scores that you
alluded to needs to be viewed within context.
Hmong Academy has just completed it second full term so it wouldn’t be
fare to make comparisons with well established learning institutions.
Furthermore, most of the students the attend Hmong Academy, come from low
income families. According to “School Digger” 99%% of the students are
eligible for discounted/free lunch. I am also willing to bet that most of
the parents of these students have not been exposed to education prior to
1975.
If you will take a look at the numbers presented by the site below, you
will note that this is the first year that data is available for reading
scores.
For math scores your can see that in 2006 only 6%% of the students met or
exceeded the standards. However, by 2007, in just one year, that scored
has jumped to 18%%, a 12%% increase. Can any other well established schools
boast this increase?
http://www.greatschools.net/modperl/achievement/mn/3686#from..Tab
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Author: All4OneAll4One Date: Mar 17, 2008 10:51
What is the main objective of these Hmong charter schools...was it to
perserve the Hmong culture/language? Frankly, if this is the main
objective, good LUCK! I don't see these school provide any more
academic challenges for my kids than a regular school. In a
globilization world...exposing my kids early to multi-cultures would
prepare them to deal with the reality.
jim
On Mar 17, 10:50 am, kwv...@ aol.com wrote: > nyob rau hauv twin cities minneapolis thiab st. paul hmoob kam muaj 7
> lub tsev kawm ntawv, hmoob charter schools diam. raws li hais ntawm
> nyob rau hmong...
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Author: herlaoherlao Date: Mar 17, 2008 11:45
On Mar 17, 11:52 am, "ctj" nospam.com> wrote:> There are lies, damn lies, and then there statistics. Although I don't
> know much about the Hmong Academy, I believe that the test scores that you
> alluded to needs to be viewed within context.
>
> Hmong Academy has just completed it second full term so it wouldn't be
> fare to make comparisons with well established learning institutions.
>
> Furthermore, most of the students the attend Hmong Academy, come from low
> income families. According to "School Digger" 99%% of the students are
> eligible for discounted/free lunch. I am also willing to bet that most of
> the parents of these students have not been exposed to education prior to
> 1975.
>
> If you will take a look at the numbers presented by the site below, you
> will note that this is the first year that data is available for reading
> scores.
>
> For math scores your can see that in 2006 only 6%% of the students met or
> exceeded the standards. However, by 2007, in just one year, that scored ...
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Author: Tzianeng VangTzianeng Vang Date: Mar 18, 2008 13:41
Her,
My name is Tzianeng or Txiabneeb. I am a Hmong language teacher at the
first Hmong Charter School in MN and, perhaps, in the nation. It was
first chartered as ACORN Dual Language Academy in 1996 and renamed...
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Author: listhoj1234listhoj1234 Date: Mar 18, 2008 14:38
On Mar 18, 3:41 pm, Tzianeng Vang gmail.com> wrote:> Her,
>
> My name is Tzianeng or Txiabneeb. I am a Hmong language teacher at the
> first Hmong Charter School in MN and, perhaps, in the nation. It was
> first chartered as ACORN Dual Language Academy in 1996 and renamed
> later on to the current name of Achieve Language Academy. The Hmong
> parents that saw the needs to chartered such a school that nurture
> diversity initiated and now we have Hmong and Spanish as the two
> language focuses here. Our school started out with about 60%% Hmong and
> 40%% others, but now we have flipped flop. I too believe in the
> diversity of the community and that a Hmong chartered schools and that
> we owed to our children for the reality they will face is what they
> see in their community and schools; diversity by all means is more
> than just skin deep; Hmong diversity alone is already so vast to name
> and fully understand...
>
> You seem to have lots of experiences and aspiration in academia. At
> your earliest convenience please shoot me an email so that we can
> discuss further on how we can best meet the needs of our Hmong ...
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Author: yajyuamyajyuam Date: Mar 18, 2008 23:17
Hmong Charter Schools are not designed to help the Hmong students but
to grab power (self-appointed principal) and money and become a burden
to the tax-payers like you and me.
We have a Hmong charter school in Milwaukee and the students' tests
scores are also below the average of the state level. Just like the
ones in St Paul/Minneapolis. The students faced the same problems.
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Author: zhenzhen Date: Mar 18, 2008 23:38
yajyuam,
wow. what a sad summary of what is the purpose of hmong charter
schools. yog muaj tseeb li koj hais, vim li cas state officials ho
tsis muab lawv lawb mus lawm ntxov?
On Mar 19, 1:17 am, yajy...@ gmail.com wrote: > Hmong Charter Schools are not designed to help the Hmong students but
> to grab power (self-appointed principal) and money and become a burden
> to the tax-payers like you and me.
>
> We have a Hmong charter school in Milwaukee and the students' tests
> scores are also below the average of the state level. Just like the
> ones in St Paul/Minneapolis. The students faced the same problems.
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Author: herlaoherlao Date: Mar 19, 2008 01:48
one of the broad ideals that must be understood with respect to a
"chartered" school --- i.e. a charter school --- is that "the locals
[community, teachers, and parents, etc.] know better" how to deliver
education, BETTER EDUCATION, to their local kids.
'tis why kids are wooed away from the larger, ["not working"] public
schools.
chartered schools are very independent; the various governmental level
contribute their shares of the money to local chartered schools.
[please, get a hand-book from the state office of education, wherever
you are, if you want to know the minimal rules governing chartered
schools and how money is allocated, so you would be able to ask
intelligent/meaningful questions.]
chartered schools usually have a combination of the following
involved, in very lose manners:
1. city and/or state educational entity (for legal/obligational
purposes)
2. some college/university (for educational/advisory consultation
roles), and/or
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