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Author: aloha787aloha787 Date: Sep 28, 2006 09:05
http://starbulletin.com/2006/09/27/business/story01.html
"It is clear that go!'s recent $19 fare was a direct attempt to damage
yield throughout the marketplace and a blatant effort to drive an
airline out of business," Island Air CEO Rob Maraucher said, "There's a
predator out there"
http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=82818&p=irol-newsArticle&ID...
HONOLULU - Hawaiian Airlines issued the following statement in response
to the new $19 interisland fare announced today by Mesa:
"Mesa's retribution against employees for speaking out with this 'Hero'
fare is as appalling as it is revealing. Everyone knows that $19 won't
be the long-term price of interisland air travel. Evidence of Mesa's
true motives was revealed in court last week and while Mesa has done
much in the news media to obscure that evidence, they didn't refute it
in court. If it wasn't clear to everyone before, it should be now that
Mesa is trying to eliminate competition in Hawaii."
Mark Dunkerley CEO Hawaiian Airlines
http://www.dontflygo.com/STATEMENT09-22-06.pdf
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: Sep 30, 2006 03:15
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> http://starbulletin.com/2006/09/27/business/story01.html
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> "It is clear that go!'s recent $19 fare was a direct attempt to damage
> yield throughout the marketplace and a blatant effort to drive an
> airline out of business," Island Air CEO Rob Maraucher said, "There's a
> predator out there"
Well, yes. That is what "competion" is all about isn't it? Besides, who
benefits when these carriers are in a fierce competitive bidding war to
convince us to use their carrier? We do, don't we? That is unless they end
up the only carrier to serve us.
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Author: Alvin E. TodaAlvin E. Toda Date: Sep 30, 2006 03:15
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006, aloha787@ gmail.com wrote:
> http://starbulletin.com/2006/09/27/business/story01.html
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> "It is clear that go!'s recent $19 fare was a direct
> attempt to damage yield throughout the marketplace
> and a blatant effort to drive an airline out of
> business," Island Air CEO Rob Maraucher said,
> "There's a predator out there"
But it's all legal, I guess. And the public benefits.
IIRC this goes back to Reagan and a lot of deregulation
that went on then.
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Author: HiloHaoleHiloHaole Date: Sep 30, 2006 03:20
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> http://starbulletin.com/2006/09/27/business/story01.html
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> "It is clear that go!'s recent $19 fare was a direct attempt to damage
> yield throughout the marketplace and a blatant effort to drive an
> airline out of business," Island Air CEO Rob Maraucher said, "There's a
> predator out there"
>
> >
> HONOLULU - Hawaiian Airlines issued the following statement in response
> to the new $19 interisland fare announced today by Mesa:
>
> "Mesa's retribution against employees for speaking out with this 'Hero'
> fare is as appalling as it is revealing. Everyone knows that $19 won't
> be the long-term price of interisland air travel. Evidence of Mesa's
> true motives was revealed in court last week and while Mesa has done
> much in the news media to obscure that evidence, they didn't refute it ...
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Author: Howard BennettHoward Bennett Date: Sep 30, 2006 03:20
Whine whine whine whine whine....
Seems to me the biggest "attack on employees of Aloha and their families"
was perpetrated by Mr. Banmiller and the rest of the company's executives
during their oh-so-convenient "bankruptcy".
What they can't stand is real competition. What Hawaii consumers need is
real competition. Any other way you can think of to control the cost of
interisland air travel?
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Author: beansbeans Date: Sep 30, 2006 21:35
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:20:09 -0000, "HiloHaole" hotmail.com>
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Author: Alvin E. TodaAlvin E. Toda Date: Sep 30, 2006 21:35
On Sat, 30 Sep 2006, HiloHaole wrote:
> gmail.com> wrote in message news:1159459509-sch@news.lava.net...>>
>> http://starbulletin.com/2006/09/27/business/story01.html
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>> "It is clear that go!'s recent $19 fare was a
>> direct attempt to damage yield throughout the
>> marketplace and a blatant effort to drive an
>> airline out of business," Island Air CEO Rob
>> Maraucher said, "There's a predator out there" > It's called competition -- it's not predatory pricing
> when the little guy's doing it. When there's a
> dominant company, more regulations are in place.
> That's why the Justice Department ruled against
> Microsoft a few years ago on an issue. It determined
> that Microsoft had enough share of the market to be
> considered a "monopoly" and, thus, came under more
> stringent regulations. Let's let the competition
> began and not play the race/ethnic card!!!!!
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Author: Alvin E. TodaAlvin E. Toda Date: Oct 1, 2006 18:20
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> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:20:09 -0000, "HiloHaole" hotmail.com>
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>> gmail.com> wrote in message>>>
>>> And if you haven't been...
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: Oct 2, 2006 16:15
"Alvin E. Toda" lava.net> wrote in message
news:1159752004-sch@news.lava.net...
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> Given our isolation and lack of sustainability, many
> companies here are weak. We don't take kindly to having
> a mainland company come in, and run all the small local
> companies out of business.
What area in the country, or for that matter the world, "takes
kindly" to
someone from the outside coming in?
First it starts with bankrupt
> local airline companies that hire hundreds of local
> people.
What serious competition does the two local airlines have, in the
domestic
market? What percentage of the total number of people who travel inter
island, use the two local airlines for their travel vs. anyone else?
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Author: Alvin E. TodaAlvin E. Toda Date: Oct 2, 2006 16:15
On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Jerry Okamura wrote:
> "Alvin E. Toda" lava.net> wrote in message
> news:1159677306-sch@news.lava.net...>>
>> Isn't predatory pricing when you begin dumping goods
>> and services below your own cost? A monopoly or may
>> not do that. What a monopoly often does is charge
>> much more than the value of the good or service.
>
> It depends on what you mean by "predatory pricing",
> it seems to me. For example, Supermarkets price some
> goods they sell, at or below cost, in order to get
> you to shop at their market. It is called a "loss
> leader".
A merchant once told me that he has a 60%% markup and
even with a half price sale, he still has a markup of
20%%. I seriously doubt whether they price anything
under the whole sale price (at which they could replace
the item).
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