"Eddie"
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> On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:45:01 -0500, "Jerry Okamura"
>
hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>
>>> Probably none. Good paying that is. As you may or not know
>>> unskilled
>>> labor earns mostly minimum wage in Hawaii.
>>
>> Because if Vegas is the example, they are union shops.
>>
>> Why would the casinos pay
>>> more?
>>
>> Because if they become union shops, which is highly likely, they will
>> either
>> pay or the workers will go on strike.
> Ha! HPD is unionized (SHOPO) and so far HPD is still the worst paid
> dep't in the U.S. (for its size) Are you aware that officers in
> local cities make up to $108,000 top pay?
Don't you think there is a difference between what government can pay and
what a casino can pay? In order to pay someone who works for the
government, they have to get money from taxpayers. Politicians know that
taxpayers don't like to pay taxes. Taxpayers want the service, but they
don't like to pay for the service. On the other hand, casions are money
making machines, and they are more able to pay their workers the money they
want.
>>
>> There would be little or no competition to increase wages.
>>> AFAIK there are no unions in the casino industry.
>>
>> Huh? No unions in the casino industry? You obviously don't know
>> about the
>> casino industry. The union is well established in the Las Vegas
>> casino
>> industry.
> Really? What is the going rate for a starting blackjack dealer?
Don't know, but it is a fact that they all belong to a union. So, they are
paid more than if they were not unionized.
>>
>> Lack of competition
>>> is what keeps wages low in Hawaii.
>>
>> Lack of businesses that pay a good wage is the reason that wages are
>> low in
>> Hawaii, not lack of comptetition.
> High cost of living will not attract business as they would need
> talented and educated people who would rather stay in the mainland.
> Ever see the housing prices in Oahu? My SIL is plumber. Wages for
> plumbers in HI are much less that here in San Jose. Let's face it,
> Hawaii forever will only be a tourist mecca. Tourist want to only do
> the touristy things, swim, surf, sun and visit the very few
> attractions there.
>>
>
That is a problem in Hawaii. But casinos make a lot of money, and they can
pay workers more because they make a lot of money. Besides, you are only
concentrating on people who work at casinos. You neglect the other jobs
that are created when a casino is operating. Look at places like Las Vegas,
or Atlantic Cities. The casinos also include hotel oprations, and within
those hotel/casino opertions are top notch restuarants, retail shops, all
requiring workers. Hotels cannot opeate without supplies. That means there
is also a whole lot of businesses which are created just catering to the
needs of the hotel operation.
>
>>
>> No question about that. There would be more people not less people.
> Sure, just wait till they see the classifieds for rental and for sale
> properties.
>>
>
>>
>> Well, yes. They have a very populated state next door, called
>> California.
>> And yes, it is expensive to come to Hawaii, but it hasn't stopped
>> people
>> from Hawaii from flying to Reno or Las Vegas. There are enough
>> people who
>> fly to Vegas, that their is a hotel that specifically caters to
>> people from
>> Hawaii. To be successful, that means there has to be a large enough
>> number
>> of people who are spending the money to go to Vegas from Hawaii.
>> Are you a
>> gambler? Well I am, and you cannot be in either Reno and Vegas and
>> not see
>> people from Hawaii in their casinos.
> People who want to do nothing but gamble will not pay thousands to go
> to a casino and just sit there and play. Their primary reason to go
> would be to see the islands, secondary maybe, to gamble. Casinos in
> Hawaii would not attract pure gamblers from the mainland.
>>>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>> What the
>>> hell does Hawaii's law have to do with gambling on a ship when it's
>>> in
>>> international waters two thousand miles away? I can see closing down
>>> the casino when 12 miles from Hawaii, but *two* thousand?
>>>
>> Because the cruise company in this particular case, did not think
>> that they
>> had to offer such a service?
> All cruise ships have casinos. They simply shut them down when
> cruising Hawaii, whether they're local, such as the one's who cruise
> only in Hawaii or the one's that originate in the mainland or
> originate in Hawaii and must, because of Jone's Law, visit a foreign
> port during its cruise.
> Eddie
>>
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