"Eddie"
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> On Sat, 10 May 2008 18:35:01 -0500, "Jerry Okamura"
>
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>>>
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>>"al Guacamole"
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>>> On May 9, 6:40 am, "Jerry Okamura"
hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>Here is something for you to think about.
>>
>>1. Island people go to Vegas and Reno in such large numbers that the
>>casinos cater to the people from Hawaii.
> California hotel is the only casino/hotel I know of that seems to
> cater to the people of Hawaii. And imho that place is a dump,
> compared to the newer up-scale casinos.
>> Is that "helping" the economy of
>>Hawaii, that these people go somewhere else to spend their money?
> You mean *lose* their money. Well, I guess they also spend, for
> accommodations, food, etc.
>>
>>2. Casinos employ a whole lot of people. And the people who work for the
>>casinos make good money. How many good paying jobs would be created "if"
>>casinos were allowed to operate in Hawaii?
> Probably none. Good paying that is. As you may or not know unskilled
> labor earns mostly minimum wage in Hawaii.
Because if Vegas is the example, they are union shops.
Why would the casinos pay
> more?
Because if they become union shops, which is highly likely, they will
either
pay or the workers will go on strike.
There would be little or no competition to increase wages.
> AFAIK there are no unions in the casino industry.
Huh? No unions in the casino industry? You obviously don't know about the
casino industry. The union is well established in the Las Vegas casino
industry.
Lack of competition
> is what keeps wages low in Hawaii.
Lack of businesses that pay a good wage is the reason that wages are low in
Hawaii, not lack of comptetition.
I was a cop there, (HPD) working
> for the lowest paid department in the U.S. In the mainland if the
> wages are not high enough you simply went to the nearby department
> that paid more. Each city in the San Jose Bay Area pays comparable
> wages (about 70K to start) If a city offered, let's say, 50K they
> would have no applicants. Remember, in Honolulu there is only one law
> enforcement agency. No sheriff, no highway patrol, no University
> police, no school district police, etc. (State police are only
> security at the Capitol iirc) With no competition you work at low
> wages, take it or leave it. Where else you gonna go? To the mainland
> of course, like me.
>>How many other jobs would be
>>created just from businesses that service these casinos?
More jobs would be created because casinos would bring in more people.
More
people means that casinos would have to hire people to work in the casinos.
More people means that there will be jobs outside of the casino industry
who
would benefit. More casinos mean more people working to provide the
services that casinos need to operate. Casinos are buildings. Buildings
need to be built by people in the construction industry. When you build
things, you need to buy things that are required to build these structures.
That means jobs for those who work in the construction industry, and jobs
for those who service the needs of the construction industry. It means
more
taxes, which translates to bigger government, which means more people
employed by government.
>>
>>3. Would legalized gambling in Hawaii, help or hurt the tourism
>>industry in
>>Hawaii?
The asnwer to that quesiton can be found in places that have legalized
gambling.
Would more or less people come to Hawaii if there was gambling in
>>Hawaii?
No question about that. There would be more people not less people.
> About the same. Remember the bulk of the visitors to Reno and Las
> Vegas come by car. And there are organized tour buses that make
> junkets from every little burg in CA. Plus train service. And of
> course low fares by air. We normally pay around $100 each for two
> nights hotel and air. Try doing a package to Hawaii from CA for that.
Well, yes. They have a very populated state next door, called California.
And yes, it is expensive to come to Hawaii, but it hasn't stopped people
from Hawaii from flying to Reno or Las Vegas. There are enough people who
fly to Vegas, that their is a hotel that specifically caters to people from
Hawaii. To be successful, that means there has to be a large enough number
of people who are spending the money to go to Vegas from Hawaii. Are you a
gambler? Well I am, and you cannot be in either Reno and Vegas and not see
people from Hawaii in their casinos.
>>
>>4. If there was legalized gambling in Hawaii, wouldn't casinos be built
>>in
>>Hawaii, and would that not create a whole lot of jobs....good paying jobs
>>I
>>might add.
> I doubt if that will ever happen. And forget "good paying" - ain't
> gonna happen.
A lot of those jobs would be union jubs. It is as simple as that.
> I don't understand why cruise ships that cross the Pacific do not
> allow gambling on their ships when Hawaii is a destination. We
> cruised on an 11-day NCL cruise that sailed South from Hawaii a couple
> of thousand miles (to Fanning Island) and because of the no-gambling
> law in Hawaii the ship could not have a casino operating. What the
> hell does Hawaii's law have to do with gambling on a ship when it's in
> international waters two thousand miles away? I can see closing down
> the casino when 12 miles from Hawaii, but *two* thousand?
>
Because the cruise company in this particular case, did not think that they
had to offer such a service?
