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Author: al Guacamoleal Guacamole Date: May 9, 2008 08:10
Every year a bill which the local gambling lobby supports goes fwd
in the legislature. They hire some previous legislator or
administration official to lobby. But looks like this year, the
bill may not have been entered or it never left the committee.
It might have been because Las Vegas is doing very badly lately
because of our poor economy. Was in the Star Bulletin yesterday
that there have been hundreds of layoffs in that industry lately in
Las Vegas. How much worse would it be in Hawaii if our economy is
based on casinos? It's a falacy that casino gambling is always good
for our econom
-- not to mention it does great harm to our society
by luring compulsive gamblers into bankruptcy and crime to cover
their losses.
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: May 9, 2008 09:40
"al Guacamole" lava.net> wrote in message
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> Every year a bill which the local gambling lobby supports goes fwd
> in the legislature. They hire some previous legislator or
> administration official to lobby. But looks like this year, the
> bill may not have been entered or it never left the committee.
>
> It might have been because Las Vegas is doing very badly lately
> because of our poor economy. Was in the Star Bulletin yesterday
> that there have been hundreds of layoffs in that industry lately in
> Las Vegas. How much worse would it be in Hawaii if our economy is
> based on casinos? It's a falacy that casino gambling is always good
> for our economy-- not to mention it does great harm to our society
> by luring compulsive gamblers into bankruptcy...
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Author: al Guacamoleal Guacamole Date: May 10, 2008 09:40
On May 9, 6:40 am, "Jerry Okamura" hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Let me suggest that the tourist industry is also not dependable.
Obvious. But the casino industry is not the silver bullet for Hawaii.
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: May 10, 2008 16:35
"al Guacamole" lava.net> wrote in message
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> On May 9, 6:40 am, "Jerry Okamura" hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Let me suggest that the tourist industry is also not dependable.
>
> Obvious. But the casino industry is not the silver bullet for Hawaii.
>
>
Is there any industry that would be the silver bullet for Hawaii?
Here is something for you to think about.
1. Island people go to Vegas and Reno in such large numbers that the
casinos cater to the people from Hawaii. Is that "helping" the economy of
Hawaii, that these people go somewhere else to spend their money?
2. Casinos employ a whole lot of people. And the people who work for the
casinos make good money. How many good paying jobs would be created "if"
casinos were allowed to operate in Hawaii? How many other jobs would be
created just from businesses that service these casinos?
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Author: RichardRichard Date: May 10, 2008 16:35
al Guacamole wrote:
> On May 9, 6:40 am, "Jerry Okamura" hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> >> Let me suggest that the tourist industry is also not dependable.
>
> Obvious. But the casino industry is not the silver bullet for Hawaii.
>
>
As If there is ANY "silver bullet". The success or failure of the State
(or, for that matter, the country) is no different in principal than
that of any investor. Diversification is key. Anytime you put all your
eggs in one basket, you risk losing it all with one misstep. Hawaii will
probably always be an attractive travel destination, but excluding
unrelated businesses is foolhardy.
You must also build a solid foundation...this begins with education.
More, and better education. Most importantly, for the state, you must
take steps to attract business...ALL business. How? What are the
obstacles to business in this state? High land costs. High Union Labor
costs. Taxes. Regulation....just for starters.
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Author: EddieEddie Date: May 10, 2008 21:30
On Sat, 10 May 2008 18:35:01 -0500, "Jerry Okamura"
hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
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>"al Guacamole" lava.net> wrote in message
>news:1210437601-sch@news.lava.net...>>
>> On May 9, 6:40 am, "Jerry Okamura" hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>Here is something for you to think about.
>
>1. Island people go to Vegas and Reno in such large numbers that the
>casinos cater to the people from Hawaii.
California hotel is the only casino/hotel...
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Author: al Guacamoleal Guacamole Date: May 11, 2008 10:40
On May 10, 6:30 pm, Eddie sbcglobal.net> wrote:> On Sat, 10 May 2008 18:35:01 -0500, "Jerry Okamura"
> hawaii.rr.com> wrote:>>2. Casinos employ a whole lot of people. And the people who work for the
>>casinos make good money. How many good paying jobs would be created "if"
>>casinos were allowed to operate in Hawaii?...
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Author: al Guacamoleal Guacamole Date: May 11, 2008 10:40
On May 10, 1:35 pm, Richard hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> You must also build a solid foundation...this begins with education.
> More, and better education. Most importantly, for the state, you must
> take steps to attract business...ALL business. How? What are the
> obstacles to business in this state? High land costs. High Union Labor
> costs. Taxes. Regulation....just for starters.
You have a good point. But we are not cheap whores and should probably
try to get business here that would be appropriate for the resources
that are available. We can afford to be discriminating.
We definitely need a better educational system. But that is more of a
social problem that is probably just as troublesome. There are many
from Hawaii who are smart and well educated that are living on the
mainland and looking for a job to return to Hawaii.
> What if the state, that ultimately controls land use, took steps to make
> large areas available for residential, light industry, office, and
> especially mixed use so that small business owners could...
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: May 11, 2008 10:45
"Eddie" sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 May 2008 18:35:01 -0500, "Jerry Okamura"
> hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
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>>"al Guacamole" lava.net> wrote in message
>>news:1210437601-sch@news.lava.net...>>>
>>> On May 9, 6:40 am, "Jerry Okamura" hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>Here is something for you to think about.
>>
>>1. Island people go to Vegas and Reno in such large numbers that the
>>casinos cater to the people from Hawaii.
> California hotel is the only casino/hotel I know of that seems to
> cater to the people of Hawaii. And imho that place is a dump, ...
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Author: Jerry OkamuraJerry Okamura Date: May 11, 2008 10:45
Let me suggest that while it is true that unions require business to pay
hgiher wages, and while that does affect the decision for many
industries to
avoid establishing a business in Hawaii (along with the fact that we are in
the middle of a very big ocean), unions are not a big problem with casinos.
they are money making machines, which can well afford to pay their workers
what they pay them.
"Richard" hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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> al Guacamole wrote:
>> On May 9, 6:40 am, "Jerry Okamura" hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>>...
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