> In article rac1.wam.umd.edu>, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab)
> wrote:
>

>> In article
>> earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, Larry
>> y.com> wrote:

>>> In article <6b7onmF3b64j0U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "_ Prof. Jonez _" jonez.net> wrote:
>>>

>>>> tjab wrote:

>>>>> Larry y.com> wrote:

>>>>>> "_ Prof. Jonez _" jonez.net> wrote:

>>>>>>> Larry wrote:

>>>>>>>> In article rac3.wam.umd.edu>, tjab@wam.umd.edu
>>>>>>>> (tjab) wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Kent Wills gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Jun 2008 11:07:19 -0400, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab) wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> _ Prof. Jonez _ jonez.net> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Kent Wills wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9 Jun 2008 01:02:59 -0400, tjab@wam.umd.edu (tjab)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kent Wills gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:40:32 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I never mentioned New York? That's so demonstrably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> false I'm still laughing. Anytime I speak in anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resembling a specific, I make it clear that I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referring to NY statutes. I've never claimed to know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the details of criminal statutes in other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jurisdictions." -- Larry Glasser the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pathological Liar

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you offer evidence to prove your claim that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Larry who posts is Larry Glasser?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have seen evidence that gives reason to suspect he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is, but you've listed Larry Glasser as being the author
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the quote. Please present the proof you have that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are the same person. If you prefer, you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit you're lying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at best, you're guessing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd say the same about the racist posts you falsely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attributed to Jonez, but I'd leave off the 'at best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're guessing part,' seeing as how you were just flat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You've seen some, but not all, of the evidence.

>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're lying again, you pathological prevaricator.

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Technically, Kent is a compulsive liar, not a pathological
>>>>>>>>>>> one.

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's a bit of a racist post from your hero (MID is
>>>>>>>>>> included so context can be verified. Something Jonezie NEVER
>>>>>>>>>> permits):

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have no heroes on usenet.
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> =========

>>>>>>>>>>>> Or you could discuss the holocaust of Native Americans by
>>>>>>>>>>>> the invading White Man ...

>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure. I for Indian or N for Native?

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> S for Savage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <6b3i56F2svfk5U1@mid.individual.net>
>>>>>>>>>> =========
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This still doesn't compose 100%% of the evidence, of
>>>>>>>>>> course.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Comprise. Not a flame, just thought that since you claim to
>>>>>>>>> be a teacher, you should know that.
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> However, even you must accept that your hero is a racist. He
>>>>>>>>>> proudly displays it often enough.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Again, I have no heroes on usenet.
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Jonezie:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Or you could discuss the holocaust of Native Americans by
>>>>>>>>>>>> the invading White Man ...

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deadrat:

>>>>>>>>>>> Sure. I for Indian or N for Native?

>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jonezie:
>>>>>>>>>> S for Savage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Prof. Jonez expressing his racial HATE for Native Americans.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see sarcasm here, not hatred. After all, the first reference
>>>>>>>>> by Jonez is to Native Americans. The context also suggests
>>>>>>>>> sarcasm. But Jonez has never been shy about expressing
>>>>>>>>> unpopular or politically incorrect opinions. If he really
>>>>>>>>> does hate Native Americans I suspect he will post here and
>>>>>>>>> correct my misapprehensions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (I suspect Deadrat also saw Jonez's comment as sarcasm, being
>>>>>>>>> as how he never challenged him on it.)

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't think calling an entire race of people "Savage" is
>>>>>>>> racist?

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The Palestinians are like crocodiles ...."
>>>>>>> -EhudBarak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28,
>>>>>>> 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "[The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs."
>>>>>>> - Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset,
>>>>>>> quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The Palestinians "would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads
>>>>>>> smashed against the boulders and walls."
>>>>>>> - Isreali Prime Minister, Itzhak Shamir, in a speech to Jewish
>>>>>>> settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do
>>>>>>> about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a
>>>>>>> bottle." - Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence
>>>>>>> Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned
>>>>>>> to live here as slaves."
>>>>>>> - Chairman Heilbrun, Committee for the Re-election of
>>>>>>> General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "These people are niggers in spite of the thin varnish of
>>>>>>> education and refinement."
>>>>>>> - US General Littleton Waller, referring to Haitians
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Imagine!, Niggers speaking French!"
>>>>>>> - US Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan, referring to
>>>>>>> Haitians

>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're deflecting your own racist and bigoted statements by
>>>>>> citing racist and bigoted statements made by others 20+ years
>>>>>> ago? Do you really think that's an effective strategy?

>>>>>
>>>>> For Jonez, probably so, since he got you to call Itzhak Shamir
>>>>> (sp?) a racist bigot.

>>>>
>>>> Ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing !

>>>
>>> By the same "ziiiiiing" token, tjab just admitted you made racist
>>> and bigoted statements!
>>>
>>> But Shamir's statement was no more racist than a current US soldier
>>> saying "we're going to crush the Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq."

>>
>> ""
>>
>> You don't think it's bigotry to say "we're going to crush the Sunnis
>> and Shiites in Iraq?"

>
> Of course not. That's who we're fighting. Everyone understands that
> it doesn't mean we're going to crush every one who practices those
> religions, regardless of whether they actually oppose us or not. It's
> just another way of saying "the enemy in this particular battle."

>

>> You don't think that goes beyond bigotry to call
>> for what you falsely insinuated Jonez did, harm or death to come to
>> others because of their religious beliefs?

>
> Have you ever heard Jonze make a racist and bigoted statement or not?