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Do westerners really know Tibet and Tibetans?         


Author: ltlee1
Date: Apr 9, 2008 13:43

Of course there experts on Tibet in the issue. How are the average
westerners including the 'free tibet' supporters. How much of their
understanding of Tibet is real? How much of it fictional? As to 'free
tibet' supporters, whcih tibet are they supporting? The real Tibet? Or
their mythological and fictional Tibet. The following are comments
from some oversea Tibetans from VIRTUAL TIBET by Orville Schell which
underscoer the different peception of the wsstern world's Tibet and
the oversea Tibetans' Tibet:

"Westerners look at us with a kind of unreal awe,... They think we're
all monks or at least tht we always medittate. Somehow westerners
think Tibetans are so spiritual that they don't expect us to have two
eyes and a nose. I mean, where did we ever get such an exotic
sterrotype?"

"Because so many Westerners have lost their own culture and religion,
they've become fascinated with Tibet where people still
believe, ...But Buddhism isn't something you can get by conversion,
where you can jsut get it. It is nangpa, an inner phenomenon, an
interior rather than an exterior thing."
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Re: Do westerners really know Tibet and Tibetans?         


Author: bmoore
Date: Apr 9, 2008 13:57

On Apr 9, 1:43 pm, "ltl...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com> wrote:
> Of course there experts on Tibet in the issue. How are the average
> westerners including the 'free tibet' supporters.

Before you start making accusations, maybe should ask yourself how
much *you* understand the Tibetan situation. Because from what you've
said here, it seems that your mind is far too influenced by your
agenda to be able to look at *anything* honestly. You're wrong about
almost everything, and you're especially wrong in your understanding
of Tibet.

You criticize others but fail to see the enormous blinders that render
your analyses worse then useless...
> How much of their
> understanding of Tibet is real? How much of it fictional? As to 'free
> tibet' supporters, whcih tibet are they supporting? The real Tibet? Or
> their mythological and fictional Tibet...
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Re: Do westerners really know Tibet and Tibetans?         


Author: xi
Date: Apr 9, 2008 14:06

We Chinese should take care, we can become as Westerners if we lose
our culture completely. One thing is to live in 2008 and something
different to forget who we are. IMO we better learn before it happens.

Peace and best wishes.

Xi

ltlee1@hotmail.com wrote:
> Of course there experts on Tibet in the issue. How are the average
> westerners including the 'free tibet' supporters. How much of their
> understanding of Tibet is real? How...
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Re: Do westerners really know Tibet and Tibetans?         


Author: ltlee1
Date: Apr 9, 2008 15:17

On Apr 9, 5:06 pm, xi gmail.com> wrote:
> We Chinese should take care, we can become as Westerners if we lose
> our culture completely. One thing is to live in 2008 and something
> different to forget who we are.

Western racist will not forget who we are. As a matter of fact, they
try hard to define who we are. The latter is a greater threat. Else I
don't worry about Chineseness.
> IMO we better learn before it happens.
>
> Peace and best wishes.
>
> Xi
>
>
>
> ltl...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Of course there experts on Tibet in the issue. How are the average
>> westerners including...
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Re: Do westerners really know Tibet and Tibetans?         


Author: bmoore
Date: Apr 9, 2008 15:26

On Apr 9, 3:17 pm, "ltl...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 5:06 pm, xi gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We Chinese should take care, we can become as Westerners if we lose
>> our culture completely. One thing is to live in 2008 and something
>> different to forget who we are.
>
> Western racist will not forget who we are.

It is possible for you to admit that not everyone who criticizes the
Chinese government is a racist?

Anyway, your role in this whole thing is a joke. Your agenda precludes
you from contributing in any meaningful way.
>  As a matter of fact, they
> try hard to define who we are. The latter is a greater threat.  Else I
> don't worry about Chineseness.
>
>
>
>>  IMO we better learn before it happens.
>
>> Peace and...
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Re: Do westerners really know Tibet and Tibetans?         


Author: RussellT
Date: Apr 9, 2008 15:35

hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:463f7f03-f959-4f62-9167-ff32003f7bd5@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Of course there experts on Tibet in the issue. How are the average
> westerners including the 'free tibet' supporters. How much of their
> understanding of Tibet is real? How much of it fictional? As to 'free
> tibet' supporters, whcih tibet are they supporting? The real Tibet? Or
> their mythological and fictional Tibet. The following are comments
> from some oversea Tibetans from VIRTUAL TIBET by Orville Schell which
> underscoer the different peception of the wsstern world's Tibet and
> the oversea Tibetans' Tibet:
>
> "Westerners look at us with a kind of unreal awe,... They think we're
> all monks or at least tht we always medittate. Somehow westerners
> think Tibetans are so spiritual that they don't expect us to have two
> eyes and a nose. I mean, where did we ever get such an exotic
> sterrotype?"
>
> "Because so many Westerners have lost their own culture and religion,
> they've become fascinated with Tibet where people still
> believe, ...But Buddhism isn't something you can get by conversion, ...
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Re: Do westerners really know Tibet and Tibetans?         


Author: ltlee1
Date: Apr 9, 2008 15:49

On Apr 9, 6:35 pm, "RussellT" telus.net> wrote:
> hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:463f7f03-f959-4f62-9167-ff32003f7bd5@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>> Of course there experts on Tibet in the issue. How are the average
>> westerners including the 'free tibet' supporters. How much of their
>> understanding of Tibet is real? How much of it fictional? As to 'free
>> tibet' supporters, whcih tibet are they supporting? The real Tibet? Or
>> their mythological and fictional Tibet. The following are comments
>> from some oversea Tibetans from VIRTUAL TIBET by Orville Schell which
>> underscoer the different peception of the wsstern world's Tibet and
>> the oversea Tibetans' Tibet:
>
>> "Westerners look at us with a kind of unreal awe,... They think we're
>> all monks or at least tht we always medittate. Somehow westerners ...
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Re: Do westerners really know Tibet and Tibetans?         


Author: bmoore
Date: Apr 9, 2008 15:58

On Apr 9, 3:49 pm, "ltl...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 6:35 pm, "RussellT" telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
>>news:463f7f03-f959-4f62-9167-ff32003f7bd5@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>>> Of course there experts on Tibet in the issue. How are the average
>>> westerners including the 'free tibet' supporters. How much of their
>>> understanding of Tibet is real? How much of it fictional? As to 'free
>>> tibet' supporters, whcih tibet are they supporting? The real Tibet? Or
>>> their mythological and fictional Tibet. The following are comments
>>> from some oversea Tibetans from VIRTUAL TIBET by Orville Schell which
>>> underscoer the different peception of the wsstern world's Tibet and
>>> the oversea Tibetans' Tibet:
> ...
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Re: Do westerners really know Tibet and Tibetans?         


Author: RussellT
Date: Apr 9, 2008 17:10

hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have been trying to be as objective as I can. This is why I quote
>western experts and/or western sources as a way to eliminate my
>subjectivity. So your comment is intrguing. What exactly do you mean
>by my 'national Han limited view'? And how do you rreach that
>conclusion?

Think of the historic definitions of fascism, nazism, communism. All were
extremes of the left, with divisions based on nation, race, or class.
Granted the communist definition is changing in China. Looks like for the
first time we are having all in one.

I ask a few questions:
1. Do agree that mass killing and genocide is occuring in Darfur?
2. Do you agree that China is selling weapons to the government of the Sudan
who are the mass killers in Darfur?
3. Do you agree that China gets 80%% of the Sudan oil?
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Re: Do westerners really know Tibet and Tibetans?         


Author: Raymond
Date: Apr 9, 2008 17:16

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 15:26:00 -0700 (PDT), bmoore@nyx.net wrote:
>On Apr 9, 3:17?pm, "ltl...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 9, 5:06?pm, xi gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We Chinese should take care, we can become as Westerners if we lose
>>> our culture completely. One thing is to live in 2008 and something
>>> different to forget who we are.
>>
>> Western racist will not forget who we are.
>
>It is possible for you to admit that not everyone who criticizes the
>Chinese government is a racist?

There is always a distinction between constructive criticism and
hostile attack. When you attack China and the Chinese people, don't
blame others considering you a racist.
>
>Anyway, your role in this whole thing is a joke. Your agenda precludes
>you from contributing in any meaningful way.
>
>
>> ?As a matter of fact, they
>> try hard to define who we are. The latter is...
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