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Author: aozotorp
Date: May 12, 2008 13:35

http://news.idg.no/pcw/art.cfm?id=DDA63441-17A4-0F78-31848A6D00AA0B5E

Skrevet av Carolyn Duffy Marsan
12.05.2008 kl 14:43 | IDG News Service

Chinese Internet censorship: An inside look

James Fallows, national correspondent for The Atlantic Monthly, has
experienced "The Great Firewall of China" firsthand, an experience
people from around the world will share this summer when the Olympics
comes to that country. Based in Beijing, Fallows has researched the
underlying technology that the Chinese use for Internet censorship,
and he explained it in a recent article titled "The Connection Has
Been Reset." We e-mailed Fallows questions about how the Chinese
government controls Internet content available to its citizens, and
here's what he had to say.
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Author: ltlee1
Date: May 12, 2008 14:27

On May 12, 4:35 pm, aozot...@aol.com wrote:
> http://news.idg.no/pcw/art.cfm?id=DDA63441-17A4-0F78-31848A6D00AA0B5E
>
> Skrevet av  Carolyn Duffy Marsan
> 12.05.2008 kl 14:43 | IDG News Service
>
> Chinese Internet censorship: An inside look
>
> James Fallows, national correspondent for The Atlantic Monthly, has
> experienced "The Great Firewall of China" firsthand, an experience
> people from around the world will share this summer when the Olympics
> comes to that country. Based in Beijing, Fallows has researched the
> underlying technology that the Chinese use for Internet censorship,
> and he explained it in a recent article titled "The Connection Has
> Been Reset." We e-mailed Fallows questions about how the Chinese
> government controls Internet content available to its citizens, and
> here's what he had to say.
>
> James Fallows, national correspondent for The Atlantic Monthly, has
> experienced "The Great Firewall of China" firsthand, an experience ...
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Author: bmoore
Date: May 12, 2008 14:36

On May 12, 2:27 pm, "ltl...@hotmail.com" hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hence governemnt cutting down some inappropriate
> information is doing the citizens a service.

You're so funny. You really must think the Chinese are like children.
> The real limiting factor in one's access to information is not the
> government.
> But the person himself.

In all cases, LT? You won't even admit that sometimes governments try
to hide things they don't want people to know? You are consistently
and hugely full of shit.
> His ignorance, biases, laziness
> and etc. For example, many westerners who criticize China are in fact
> quite ignorant about China. No one is blocking them to learn as much
> as possible about China or Tiebt. But they choose not to.

Translation: they don't believe LT's lies and distortions. So he calls
them ignorant. Pfffft.
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Author: PaPaPeng
Date: May 12, 2008 15:33

On Mon, 12 May 2008 13:35:34 -0700 (PDT), aozotorp@aol.com wrote:
>http://news.idg.no/pcw/art.cfm?id=DDA63441-17A4-0F78-31848A6D00AA0B5E
>
>Skrevet av Carolyn Duffy Marsan
>12.05.2008 kl 14:43 | IDG News Service
>
>Chinese Internet censorship: An inside look

Thanks for an excellent article.

The complaints by westerners about Internet Freedom in China are
complaints about the Chinese Firewall's blocking of articles critical
of China written by western writers. Jim Walsh is typical of these
complainers. What these westerners don't get is mainland Chinese are
not looking for dirt on their country's leaders. Most don't read
English anyway. So that Firewall is not noticed let alone resented.
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Author: pg
Date: May 12, 2008 17:26

On May 12, 3:33 pm, PaPaPeng yahoo.com> wrote:
> There is already so much information out in the Internet that an
> ordinary person can use. What the Firewall does not block is more than
> enough to satisfy anybody's need for information on any subject.

Can people please read the above quote by that very-soon-to-be-very-
very-dead PPP again?

This guy has nothing to say and yet wanting to say something. So what
we got here is garbage, TOTAL GARBAGE !!!!
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Re: Chinese Internet censorship: An inside look         


Author: Jim Walsh
Date: May 12, 2008 18:40

On Tue, 13 May 2008 04:35:34 +0800, aozotorp@aol.com wrote
(in article
<2e2928d9-e00f-4c54-84d6-48b4916afc34@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>):
> James Fallows said:
> If you work from a Chinese Internet cafe -- which is still where the
> vast majority of Chinese Internet activity happens, since so few
> people have connected computers in their own homes -- you experience
> all of these blocking mechanisms as a matter of course. In some
> places, like schools, the blocking can be much cruder and indiscriminate.

Exactly.

--
Love, Jim
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crossposts.)

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Author: Jim Walsh
Date: May 12, 2008 18:40

On Tue, 13 May 2008 05:27:39 +0800, ltlee1@hotmail.com wrote
(in article
c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>):
>
> The real limiting factor in one's access to information is not the
> government. But the person himself. His ignorance, biases, laziness and etc.
> For example, many westerners who criticize China are in fact quite ignorant
> about China. No one is blocking them to learn as much as possible about China
> or Tiebt. But they choose not to.

1. There are two limiting factors for people in China. The first and foremost
is the CCP's "Great Firewall". The second is personal to the user; i.e., lack
of knowledge (never heard of wikipedia, for example) and lack of curiosity.

2. For the people in democracies, there is only one limiting factor (the
personal one).

This is a qualitative difference.

--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)
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Author: Jim Walsh
Date: May 12, 2008 18:40

On Tue, 13 May 2008 06:33:17 +0800, PaPaPeng wrote
(in article 4ax.com>):
> What these westerners don't get is mainland Chinese are not looking for dirt
> on their country's leaders. Most don't read English anyway. So that Firewall
> is not noticed let alone resented.

Agree that the CCP tries to lie to the Chinese people as its censorship.

Chinese wikipedia is typically if not always completely blocked.

Those Chinese who are aware of the extent of the CCP's censorship and
attempts at thought control resent it.

Indeed, a significant part of the complaint of the Tibetans involves CCP
censorship and attempts at thought control.

--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)

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Author: Jim Walsh
Date: May 12, 2008 18:40

On Tue, 13 May 2008 06:33:17 +0800, PaPaPeng wrote
(in article 4ax.com>):
> What the Firewall does not block is more than enough to satisfy anybody's
> need for information on any subject.

Not true.

For example, the Chinese can not access sources in Taiwan that explain why
some Taiwanese want independence. This restriction is dangerous because it
may lead Chinese in general to misjudge how strongly the Taiwanese love their
freedom.

Basically any source which has information contrary to the CCP's official
party line is blocked, so the available information on those subjects does
not satisfy a reasonable person's desire for information.

--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)

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Author: Jim Walsh
Date: May 12, 2008 18:40

On Tue, 13 May 2008 06:33:17 +0800, PaPaPeng wrote
(in article 4ax.com>):
>
> Truth will always triumph. No amount of Firewall blocking and no amount of
> propoganda spin can fool the people.

True in the long run. (Many Chinese who demonstrated against Carrefour now
know that they were mistaken.) Not true in the short run.

People can get badly hurt in the short run.

In Burma, lack of food and water in the short run will cause deaths.

--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)

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