Why are we NOT surprised?

This is EXACTLY something China, the anal boil of the world, would
do! As it keeps Tibet locked up so it can kill as many freedom
fighters and independence advocates as possible before the "Games,"
the pissed-off Commies are also now determined to listen to and focus
on hotel guests to ensure "discussions" of China's criminal nation do
not take place between the sheets.

But if such talk is detected, expect "guests" to be rousted, roughed
up, then frog-marched to the airport.

This is the way things are done, this is the way the "Chinese brain"
works after 60 years of dictatorial rule and numerous mass murders of
its own people. Mass insanity.

What an Olympic host!

(Actually, a lot of Americans would LIKE Bush to attend the opening;
one WAR criminal welcomed by a WORLD criminal!)

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"Senator: China plans to spy on Olympic hotel guests"

On May 1, 12:28 pm, uUGLY2 yahoo.com> wrote:

From politicians to each individual Americans, all gang up to demonize
a country that is doing its best to keep its citizens up with modern
education, modern conveniences, competitive society. When will it
ever stop?

On Thu, 1 May 2008 12:28:10 -0700 (PDT), uUGLY2 yahoo.com>
wrote:

So that's why Client #8 former NY Governor Spitzer is not going. Sen.
Sam Brownback must be pretty high on the Client # list.

I have a lot of misgivings about China hosting the Olympics. Not the
least is racism is so perverse and so widespread, it is hard to make
people love you, if they are not ready. Jiang Zemin visited Japan
with the high hope that it would recognize its war crimes against
China, but he failed miserably and ended up spending the rest of his
historical trip to the country wandering from place to place like a
lost soul.

On the other hand, if it were true that the Chinese people still live
under an iron fist like these untrustworthy senators are charging,
then it would be extremely difficult to explain the overwhelming
support China has been receiving from its large contingent of overseas
students on matters surrounding the Olympics in the past two months.

I spent a week in Beijing for a conference in 1999. I also squeezed
out a very brief visit to the nearby coastal city of Tianjin in the
midst.

On Fri, 2 May 2008 07:51:48 +0800, lo yeeOn wrote
(in article reader2.panix.com>):

Really? What a strange argument.

Most if not all of the Chinese students interviewed in the press regarding
their support of the torch relay said they were doing so out of national
pride.

National pride does not equal support of the CCP.

--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)

On Fri, 2 May 2008 07:51:48 +0800, lo yeeOn wrote
(in article reader2.panix.com>):

Really? What could possibly change that?

--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)

In article <0001HW.C440DC14003F5A10F01846D8@news-east.alibis.com>,
Jim Walsh gmNONail.com> wrote:

I explained why! The problem is you deleted the parts that I
explained the why, most likely due to the fact that you didn't like
what I had to say.

Essentially, you're blind to what has happened in the intervening
years in China. Essentially, there have been mostly contented people
in China. Essentially, you have an ulterior motive around the
soc.culture.china newsgroup to shut down any comments that could well
be perceived as a favorable assessment of China's internal conditions
today, even though those comments, like mine, were merely reports of
first-person experience.

What a shame!

In article <0001HW.C440DBEC003F50B7F01846D8@news-east.alibis.com>,
Jim Walsh gmNONail.com> wrote:

You have no argument. For me, the outpouring of support these people
have shown does not conjure up a situation in which their lives back
in China was under an ``iron fist'' like those unworthy and conniving
Washington senators have charged. Ultimately, the American people can
judge for themselves once they are more informed by the reports I've
read.

On Fri, 2 May 2008 20:46:21 +0800, lo yeeOn wrote
(in article reader2.panix.com>):

Actually, without a "massive defection", they mostly do stay. It is hard to
find strong statistics, but the following comment in the non-political
"Science Magazine" by a Chemistry Professor is indicative.

"Ninety-five percent of the PRC graduate students now in the United States
will probably try to stay here. The vast majority will succeed in doing so."

Professor Roald Hoffmann is the Frank H. T. Rhodes Professor of Humane
Letters and Chemistry at Cornell University...

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/280/5362/386

--
Love, Jim
(I often delete parts of the previous post and I often remove excessive
crossposts.)

On Fri, 2 May 2008 19:59:36 +0800, lo yeeOn wrote
(in article reader2.panix.com>):

Actually, the murder of thousands of Chinese at Tiananman plus rapid economic
growth has created a kind of silenced population.

When China experiences its first significant recession, watch out. The glue
might not hold.

As Jan Wong wrote:

"Some experts think that Beijing's rapid economic growth gives it the same
stake in peace and stability as the West. China wants to compete, they say,
not on military might, but on economic strength. I agree that trade fosters
human rights and democracy, but only indirectly. Indeed, the more the West
engages Beijing's leaders, the more harshly they seem to treat their
dissidents. The Communist Party's priority is power. But the dilemma facing
China's leaders is this: If the economy grows fast enough, they will become
peacefully irrelevant, but if it slows down too much, they will be made
violently irrelevant.'"