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Author: Otis Willie PIO The American War Library
Date: Mar 12, 2008 20:58

No atheists allowed in foxholes
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Re: No atheists allowed in foxholes         


Author: Tom Delancy
Date: Apr 1, 2008 14:31

Many Evangelical Christians are as un-American as the Muslim
Jihadists.
But the fanatics seem to have forgotten that the realities of the
foxhole can often convert many believers into atheists too.
It was literally in the foxhole that I began my journey to atheism.

Tom
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Author: Christopher A. Lee
Date: Apr 1, 2008 14:38

On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:31:39 -0400, Tom Delancy yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Many Evangelical Christians are as un-American as the Muslim
>Jihadists.
>But the fanatics seem to have forgotten that the realities of the
>foxhole can often convert many believers into atheists too.
>It was literally in the foxhole that I began my journey to atheism.

My father was already atheist when he joined the RAF during WW2; his
father and step mother were phony spiritualists, holding seances to
talk to the dead, etc.

He was Lancaster bomber crew over Germany. Many of his friends there
became atheists. When they were in trouble the last thing anybody did
was pray - they were too busy trying to keep the damaged plane in the
air long enough to live. They needed to act as a team and nobody
wanted to fly with anybody who wasted time praying.

What he had to do turned him into a pacifist afterwards.
>Tom
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Re: No atheists allowed in foxholes         


Author: Mike
Date: Jun 22, 2008 21:45

Responding to Tom Delancy:
> Many Evangelical Christians are as un-American as the Muslim Jihadists.
> But the fanatics seem to have forgotten that the realities of the
> foxhole can often convert many believers into atheists too. It was
> literally in the foxhole that I began my journey to atheism.
>
> Tom

Here's my problem with the whole "atheists in foxholes" thing...

Surely the ONLY people in foxholes are those who do NOT believe their
deity will save them from death? Or don't trust their deity to protect
them? Or actually have a problem with the idea their deity might have
decided they should die that day?

Any way up as I can see it, the argument actually evidences that it is
highly unlikely there would be any GENIUNE Xtians in foxholes. Simply
being in a foxhole means you are not a commited believer, and at best
only a Pasqual's Wager investor.
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Author: Geoff Lane
Date: Jun 23, 2008 10:45

Mike wrote:
> Following on from this, I'm curious if there are any verifiable instances
> of Xtians walking into enemy fire, praying to their god to protect them,
> and actually surviving. Just one confirmed occurance of somebody other
> than an insane idiot surviving through sheer luck would be interesting
> here.

There's the Gods Army lunatics

http://www.globalpolitician.com/21979-myanmar-burma

"At that time, adult rebels in the God's Army said they believed the twins
possessed animist and Christian powers to lead a guerrilla war and bestow
protection, for the entire group, from bullets and land mines."

They, of course, just made better targets.

--
Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer
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Re: No atheists allowed in foxholes         


Author: Paul Ciszek
Date: Jul 13, 2008 09:05

In article text.news.virginmedia.com>,
Mike wrote:
>Responding to Tom Delancy:
>
>> Many Evangelical Christians are as un-American as the Muslim Jihadists.
>> But the fanatics seem to have forgotten that the realities of the
>> foxhole can often convert many believers into atheists too. It was
>> literally in the foxhole that I began my journey to atheism.
>>
>> Tom
>
>Here's my problem with the whole "atheists in foxholes" thing...
>
>Surely the ONLY people in foxholes are those who do NOT believe their
>deity will save them from death? Or don't trust their deity to protect
>them? Or actually have a problem with the idea their deity might have
>decided they should die that day?
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Re: No atheists allowed in foxholes         


Author: Christopher A.Lee
Date: Jul 14, 2008 15:25

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:05:10 -0400, nospam@nospam.com (Paul Ciszek)
wrote:
>In article text.news.virginmedia.com>,
>Mike wrote:
>>Responding to Tom Delancy:
>>
>>> Many Evangelical Christians are as un-American as the Muslim Jihadists...
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