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  No atheists allowed in foxholes         


Author: Otis Willie PIO The American War Library
Date: Mar 12, 2008 20:58

No atheists allowed in foxholes
http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/10/no-atheists-allowed-in-foxholes/

{EXCERPT} World Magazine, NC According to an Associated Press account, Hall
alleges that Gates permits a military culture in which officers are encouraged
to pressure soldiers to adopt...

http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/03/10/no-atheists-allowed-in-foxholes/

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  Atheist Soldier Says Army Punished Him         


Author: Otis Willie PIO The American War Library
Date: Mar 12, 2008 20:57

Atheist Soldier Says Army Punished Him
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iTPjkhPtGfRjsMUS9Q_F95TRAdcQD8V7JRIO0

{EXCERPT} The Associated Press (AP) A soldier claimed Wednesday that his
promotion was blocked because he had claimed in a lawsuit that the Army was
violating his right to be an atheist...

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  SOS Romania - theory of evolution removed from curricula - please support our campaign to bring it back in schools         


Author: Remus Cernea
Date: Mar 5, 2008 16:44

You are invited to sign the open letter bellow to support teaching of
the theory of evolution and philosophical approaches on religion in
Romanian public schools, by sending us an email at
freedomofconscience@gmail.com no later than Monday, 24 March 2008.
The whole letter is below and the link to the open letter is here
(if the link doesn't work, please go to www.humanism.ro and then
English and you will find the details on this issue):

http://www.humanism.ro/articles.php?page=62&article=223

My best wishes,

Remus Cernea
Executive director
The Solidarity for Freedom of Conscience
www.humanism.ro
freedomofconscience@gmail.com
+4.0727.583.594

Open Letter to The Romanian Ministry of Education, Research, and Youth

Put the theory of evolution and philosophical approaches to religion
back in biology and philosophy curricula in Romanian public schools!

Mr. Minister Cristian Adomnitei,
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  Research Methods         


Author: Allan Adler
Date: Feb 25, 2008 22:29

I did promise that I would try to get back to reading the book,

(1) Research Methods for Social Work, by Allen Rubin an Earl Babbie, 2001,

and to report on whatever I learn that might be relevant to this group.
Recall that this promise arose in the ancient context of a posting of
David V. in which he drew our attention to some online paper claiming
to find a correlation between religious belief and some negative outcomes.
I really don't remember the details now and I don't think they matter
anymore. I consider the effort to acquire some appreciation of the standards
of research to be more important than the matter of the particular article,
even though I recall that my impressions of the article were somewhat negative.

The book (1) itself is not really appropriate material for soc.atheism; it
would not be right to simply read it and to quote from it. It might be
appropriate to do so when it actually impinged on the ways in which we draw
statistical inferences about groups of people, including religious groups and
political groups. So, I'll try to keep that important distinction in mind.

I personally like to have a focus when I read a book such as (1), especially
since I really know very little about sociology or the methods of social
scientists. I'm not quite sure how to proceed with...
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  cargo cults         


Author: Allan Adler
Date: Feb 21, 2008 19:15

How do we know that the objects collected and used by cargo cults
have religious significance, rather than merely artistic significance
which the people take very seriously?
--
Ignorantly,
Allan Adler zurich.csail.mit.edu>
* Disclaimer: I am a guest and *not* a member of the MIT CSAIL. My actions and
* comments do not reflect in any way on MIT. Also, I am nowhere near Boston.
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  for anyone, kind of 'meta'         


Author: Apostate
Date: Feb 20, 2008 21:18

Has this ng devolved into a proctored seminar of some sort?

Brief (I hope) tale on the subject: when I was just starting to read
and post to Usenet, I took up with alt.atheism.moderated. There were
some very bright folks posting there, from a variety of academic...
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  Apostate, we need you         


Author: Allan Adler
Date: Feb 18, 2008 06:46

I noticed a posting by Apostate in which he offered to pray for someone
on this group. So I infer that he prays and therefore that he might not
be an atheist. In the thread, "who has an actual problem?", I've been asking
about venues in which atheists on this group actually have dealings with the
faithful in matters pertaining to religion, including dealings with
creationists regarding creationism. I was surprised to note that no one
mentioned contacts on newsgroups. Then Apostate arrives, apparently filling
that void.

Apostate, if you are still reading this group, do you think you could
describe yourself a little? I'd like to know, for example:
(1) What is your position on Creationism?
(2) What is your view of the Religious Right?
(3) In what sense are you an Apostate?
--
Ignorantly,
Allan Adler zurich.csail.mit.edu>
* Disclaimer: I am a guest and *not* a member of the MIT CSAIL. My actions and
* comments do not reflect in any way on MIT. Also, I am nowhere near Boston.
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  Re: who has an actual problem?         


Author: David V.
Date: Feb 2, 2008 13:26

Steve Kelley wrote:
> I am concerned about the movement to give fetuses rights as
> separate human beings. Of course this is simply a way to
> outlaw abortion. I do not see how society has a vested
> interest in preventing abortions. I personally think any time
> a woman has to face the choice it is a sad situation but the
> choice is hers. In broad terms I believe any law that can be
> supported by only religious arguments should be
> unconstitutional.

I think society would benefit from a reduction of abortion. Not
outlawing or criminalizing or anything like that, but better sex
education and easier access to birth control for any one that
wants it.

I think that potential human deserves some respect but not to the
point where it would over ride any rights the woman has. Of
course the choice is always up to the woman and any one involved
should support whatever choice she makes. I've just made sure I
have never put a woman into the position where she had to make
that choice.
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  No space in My Space for Atheists         


Author: David V.
Date: Feb 2, 2008 13:25

Posted at http://www.secularstudents.org/node/1933

January 30, 2008
For Release: Immediately Upon Receipt

MySpace Deletes Largest Atheist Group in the World.

Cleveland, OH. Social networking site, MySpace.com, panders to
religious intolerants by deleting atheist users, groups and content.

Early this month, MySpace again deleted the "Atheist and Agnostic
Group (35,000 members). This deletion, due largely to complaints
from people who find atheism offensive, marks the second time
MySpace has cancelled the group since November 2007.

What's unique in this case is that the Atheist and Agnostic Group
was the largest collection of organized atheists in the world.
The group had its own Wikipedia entry, and in April won the
Excellence in Humanist Communication Award (2007) from the
Humanist Chaplaincy at Harvard University and the Secular Student
Alliance.
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  Re: who has an actual problem?         


Author: Gail Futoran
Date: Feb 2, 2008 13:25

"Allan Adler" nestle.csail.mit.edu> wrote in message
news:y93ejc6zj4x.fsf@nestle.csail.mit.edu...
> There are a few things I'd like to know that might clarify the
> context of
> some of the discussions we've been having. A lot has been said
> recently about
> problems dealing with religious zealots, particularly creationists
> and
> especially about the problems of arguing with them.
>
> (1) What is the venu in which these arguments with creationists
> (e.g.) have
> been taking place?
> (2) Are they recent arguments or arguments that took place a long
> time ago?
> (3) What was the occasion that precipitated them?
>
> What I'm aiming at is what I think might be a helpful distinction
> among:
> (a) having an immediate problem involving creationists ...
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